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After this weekend what are people's thoughts on VAR, I've never been convinced it is still a person's opinion and stops the game and mistakes are still made, we all know the referee makes wrong decisions but hopefully they even themselves out.
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Re: VAR
It denied West Ham a goal at the weekend, hell I'd be in favor of the thing on that alone but looking at the bigger picture it seems to cause more issues than problems it would hope to resolve.
Thought the game was fine enough before it were implemented, now it entails waiting around for analysis and calls from multiple areas before a decision is made. Tradition is, you have one referee in the middle to arbitrate matters with assistance from available linesmen. What they've introduced in recent time has thrown the game into a minor disarray.
The PGMOL has since admitted they got things wrong at the weekend, which was big of them but as before it's invariably going to cause more hindrance then help to teams involved (particularly those) on the wrong end of decision.
Thought the game was fine enough before it were implemented, now it entails waiting around for analysis and calls from multiple areas before a decision is made. Tradition is, you have one referee in the middle to arbitrate matters with assistance from available linesmen. What they've introduced in recent time has thrown the game into a minor disarray.
The PGMOL has since admitted they got things wrong at the weekend, which was big of them but as before it's invariably going to cause more hindrance then help to teams involved (particularly those) on the wrong end of decision.
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Keeping the conversation on VAR……, MASSIVE decision in the AFL season play-offs last Thursday. Goal umpire awarded a goal to Tom Lynch for the Tigers, but field umpire wanted it looked at.
(And this is where i’ll tie this to VAR)
It was deemed inconclusive. BUT…… the field ump overturned their decision and said “NO GOAL”. And it was based on Tom Lynch not really celebrating his shot on goal.
I’m 100% with Tigers coach on this……… if VAR can be “inconclusive”, then “bloody bin it & stick with field umpires”
He goes on to complain about TV evidence being inconclusive in this day & age. Again, i agree.
And he offered a GREAT solution.
Laser action of the ball……. Like golf.
SORTED!
(And this is where i’ll tie this to VAR)
It was deemed inconclusive. BUT…… the field ump overturned their decision and said “NO GOAL”. And it was based on Tom Lynch not really celebrating his shot on goal.
I’m 100% with Tigers coach on this……… if VAR can be “inconclusive”, then “bloody bin it & stick with field umpires”
He goes on to complain about TV evidence being inconclusive in this day & age. Again, i agree.
And he offered a GREAT solution.
Laser action of the ball……. Like golf.
SORTED!
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It's pathetic, it doesn't work because those who make the rules to implement it are pure idiots.
Tennis? Fine. Cricket? Fine. Why? Because the team or player has an appeal or two and if they use it recklessly then they lose it. Bring that in to football, each team gets one appeal and lose it if they make a poor appeal or use it for time wasting. Simple.
Tennis? Fine. Cricket? Fine. Why? Because the team or player has an appeal or two and if they use it recklessly then they lose it. Bring that in to football, each team gets one appeal and lose it if they make a poor appeal or use it for time wasting. Simple.
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It's the biggest load of bollocks ever to arrive in the game of football, you can't have it in some leagues and not others, it's a joke, if it was done properly across the board as it should be We'd have beaten Barnsley, total bullshit farce.
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Seems to me that in principle VAR is a good thing, especially in a situation like the HOG incident with Maradona.
But it's not being used as intended, actually it's being spoiled by the people monitoring it who seem to be just as power mad as some referees.
But I think we still need it - the standard of refereeing can sometimes leave a lot to be desired, but in my opinion the main problem is with the total incompetence of line officials across all divisions.
But it's not being used as intended, actually it's being spoiled by the people monitoring it who seem to be just as power mad as some referees.
But I think we still need it - the standard of refereeing can sometimes leave a lot to be desired, but in my opinion the main problem is with the total incompetence of line officials across all divisions.
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I was told we can't use the ref as excuses when we have a decision go against us that costs us a win, like Barnsley, so sadly, following that theme, "f*ck the hand of god" tough sh*t England, you should have scored more goals yourselves, I think that was what was said after the Barnsley fiasco.
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Totally agree with you. Give linesmen their job back again (they seem to have no roll in games anymore ) and the ref to make the decision in tandem with the linesman. If they get it wrong they get it wrong but it’ll be in real time with the gsme snd spontaneous .
VAR is crap
VAR is crap
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Agree I also think more could be done training ex players for example as referees.hallamblue wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:59 amTotally agree with you. Give linesmen their job back again (they seem to have no roll in games anymore ) and the ref to make the decision in tandem with the linesman. If they get it wrong they get it wrong but it’ll be in real time with the gsme snd spontaneous .
VAR is crap
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Balls.
Have not reffed......, but did "lino" duties for when my son was in the U13's at Penicuik. They were playing down in Prestonpans...., (famous battles and all that)......., a grandad on the opposite touchline shouted, "OI LINO, YER FKN BLIND, MAN!"
Absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that it is a tough job......., especially in front several thousand Rangers fans when they're being pumped 3-0 @ HT....., but it's not unreasonable to expect a level of competence. The German & Italian refs seems to be miles better than British refs. Certainly Willie Collum up here. There is no one worse.
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Don't be mistaken....., I was never "involved" ......, that particular day, the dad who usually did this was ill. Coach Colin said, "Hey Mark, Linesman duties by any chance?"BlueBalls wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:08 pmThat sums it up. Why would anyone think that is appropriate at an U13 match?..... il tell you why, because they see it week in week out on Sky Sports.marko69 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 1:37 pmBalls.
Have not reffed......, but did "lino" duties for when my son was in the U13's at Penicuik. They were playing down in Prestonpans...., (famous battles and all that)......., a grandad on the opposite touchline shouted, "OI LINO, YER FKN BLIND, MAN!"
Absolutely no doubt in anyone's mind that it is a tough job......., especially in front several thousand Rangers fans when they're being pumped 3-0 @ HT....., but it's not unreasonable to expect a level of competence. The German & Italian refs seems to be miles better than British refs. Certainly Willie Collum up here. There is no one worse.
I too am involved in junior teams and we've got 10 and 12 year olds thinking they can mouth off at officials.
Poor performance of officials needs dealing with like any other job (more training, sanctions to lower league games etc), but players/crowds/managers should not be policing it.
The one & ONLY time......, way too stressful. Every decision I made upset someone. Borderline impossible job.
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You cannot compare the 2 situations - the decision that 'cost us a win' was a poor decision, the HOG was blatant cheating. VAR ought to be concentrating on cheating (deliberate handball, wrestling, shirt pulling etc - that's where it's really neededBluemike wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:47 amI was told we can't use the ref as excuses when we have a decision go against us that costs us a win, like Barnsley, so sadly, following that theme, "f*ck the hand of god" tough sh*t England, you should have scored more goals yourselves, I think that was what was said after the Barnsley fiasco.