New England Manager announced?

[hallamblue]

Ex Chelsea manager Thomas Tuchel ..... what do we think of this then?.He left Bayern Munich in May

[ITFC2024]

I think it’s a brilliant appointment. I’d prefer a British manager, but I think he’ll do the players a world of good.

[Charnwood]

Good appointment for me but what will Manchester United do now as TT was favourite to become their next manager when Ten Hag gets his inevitable P45 anytime soon.

[ITFC2024]

I think the window for replacing Ten Haag has closed, at least this season unless things get worse. I can’t imagine they’d be interested in KM anymore after our start to the season. It’s not been horrible for us by any account, but I think it’s obvious KM still has some growing to do before he manages a top 10 Premier League team.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

I have never agreed with a non-English person managing the national team, and I never will.

[RRanger]

I suspect the list of British (not just English) managers willing to give up regular club involvement ,with all the media criticism and baggage that comes with the England job ,is pretty small. I'm sure there were managers sounded out and the FA didn't have much joy. I think TT is a very interesting choice. He loves working in England ,speaks excellent English and has a very good CV. Good luck to him.

[hallamblue]

Hopefully he'll pick thd actual best 11 and not the big name Charlie's who THINK they're the best.... Bellingham for example....and how about picking an actual Left back who gets assists to play Left back?

[Ricco]

how about picking an actual Left back who gets assists to play Left back?

Davis?

I'm not sure what I think about the appointment, so I'll reserve judgement. Looking back at what he has achieved, I'm not overly excited, I think the Champions League with Chelsea is the only time he's played a hole under par, for want of a better analogy.

Is he a better option than Southgate? Does a one-legged Duck swim in circles?

[arana peligrosa]

Cushy job for just about anyone when all you get to do from time to time be paid to play some non-essential exhibition games and expect to take on and beat opposition such as Gibraltar, Andorra and some chamber maids from Alicante. Every two, four years you get a shot at something worthwhile but it's a 1 in 36 chance or something of actually coming out on top. Not sure the English are equipped with this appointment, Southgate's going to be a tough act to follow.

Guess some not pleased hiring a Jerry to oversee things but we brought in Klinsmann, Oslander etc in recent years for national team, guess depends however you view it.

[Ricco]

Not cushy in my eyes AP. Unless you win the WC, you're going to have so much dung flung at you over the years.

It's a horrible job and a bit of a poisoned chalice. Southgate 'got to' two major finals and has come away looking like a frightened imbecile (deservedly so).

[Blue Wilf]

Sadly - and I am a big patriot who has followed England in the past... I don't really care! There - I have said it now... I have no idea what all of the competitions are that we are apparently in and when we do get to a final, the idiots jump on the bandwagon and ruin it for true fans. Never thought I would say it and feel sad in doing so

[Bluemike]

Same here Wilf

[Charnwood]

I have never agreed with a non-English person managing the national team, and I never will.

In the past I’ve always thought that the best English manager at anytime should always be offered the England managers job and it should be such an honour he will always accept it. That’s what it was in the days of Alf Ramsay and Bobby Robson and pretty much carried on thro to the Terry Venables and Glen Hoddle era’s. I think it was Sven Goran Erickson’s appointment soon after the millennium which broke the mould, but of course in those days their were far more English managers managing at the highest level and therefore far more to choose from. At the current time we probably only have Eddie Howe who would stand any chance of making the short list.
The other four English Managers in the Premier Lesgue are, Sean Dyche, Gary O’Neil, Russell Martin and Steve Cooper, surely none of us would expect any one of them to be offered the job.
It would appear very few Englishmen make it to the highest level these days which must be a major factor driving the need to look beyond our shores for Gareth Southgate’s replacement. TBH if we want an Englishman doing the job we may as well have stuck with Southgate.

[shabba]

It’s a road to nowhere - must be losing its appeal from eras of the past.

Unsure about TT, he probably had a short cycle as he seems to have a blow up with the board everywhere he goes and leaves carnage.

[Bluemike]

Eddie Howe ?

[shabba]

Eddie Howe ?

I don’t see why any sane person would take it, it’s often highly career damaging.

You either win something or get abused.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

I have never agreed with a non-English person managing the national team, and I never will.

In the past I’ve always thought that the best English manager at anytime should always be offered the England managers job and it should be such an honour he will always accept it. That’s what it was in the days of Alf Ramsay and Bobby Robson and pretty much carried on thro to the Terry Venables and Glen Hoddle era’s. I think it was Sven Goran Erickson’s appointment soon after the millennium which broke the mould, but of course in those days their were far more English managers managing at the highest level and therefore far more to choose from. At the current time we probably only have Eddie Howe who would stand any chance of making the short list.
The other four English Managers in the Premier Lesgue are, Sean Dyche, Gary O’Neil, Russell Martin and Steve Cooper, surely none of us would expect any one of them to be offered the job.
It would appear very few Englishmen make it to the highest level these days which must be a major factor driving the need to look beyond our shores for Gareth Southgate’s replacement. TBH if we want an Englishman doing the job we may as well have stuck with Southgate.

In truth, the rot set in with the sudden and mass introduction of foreign players into the PL, shortly followed by foreign managers. The English football authorities should hvae had the balls at the time to limit clubs to 2 or 3 foreign players, as was the case in cricket. I think that fewer foreign players would have naturally resuted in fewer foreign managers.
Over the last 15 years or so, we have had the so called golden generation and so on, yet have failed to win anything. In my opinion the reason is too many foreign players in the PL - English players looked good week in and week out because they were playing with the best in the world, but could not replicate this at national level with the foreign influence removed.
Things will not change now, of course, and I don't think the England team will ever win anything regardless of who is manager, simply because they are not good enough on either the European or world stage. At the end of the day, surely one of the most important qualities of an England manager is passion, and that is why nothing will ever convince me that the manager should be anything but English.

[Charnwood]

I have never agreed with a non-English person managing the national team, and I never will.

In the past I’ve always thought that the best English manager at anytime should always be offered the England managers job and it should be such an honour he will always accept it. That’s what it was in the days of Alf Ramsay and Bobby Robson and pretty much carried on thro to the Terry Venables and Glen Hoddle era’s. I think it was Sven Goran Erickson’s appointment soon after the millennium which broke the mould, but of course in those days their were far more English managers managing at the highest level and therefore far more to choose from. At the current time we probably only have Eddie Howe who would stand any chance of making the short list.
The other four English Managers in the Premier Lesgue are, Sean Dyche, Gary O’Neil, Russell Martin and Steve Cooper, surely none of us would expect any one of them to be offered the job.
It would appear very few Englishmen make it to the highest level these days which must be a major factor driving the need to look beyond our shores for Gareth Southgate’s replacement. TBH if we want an Englishman doing the job we may as well have stuck with Southgate.

In truth, the rot set in with the sudden and mass introduction of foreign players into the PL, shortly followed by foreign managers. The English football authorities should hvae had the balls at the time to limit clubs to 2 or 3 foreign players, as was the case in cricket. I think that fewer foreign players would have naturally resuted in fewer foreign managers.
Over the last 15 years or so, we have had the so called golden generation and so on, yet have failed to win anything. In my opinion the reason is too many foreign players in the PL - English players looked good week in and week out because they were playing with the best in the world, but could not replicate this at national level with the foreign influence removed.
Things will not change now, of course, and I don't think the England team will ever win anything regardless of who is manager, simply because they are not good enough on either the European or world stage. At the end of the day, surely one of the most important qualities of an England manager is passion, and that is why nothing will ever convince me that the manager should be anything but English.

So who would you have given the job to ?

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

So who would you have given the job to ?

Doesn't really matter, because if the goal is to win something then I have already alluded that I don't think our players are good enough regardless of who is manager. But I would have offered it to Eddie Howe.

[Dubai Blue]

Do we know for a fact that they didn't?

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Do we know for a fact that they didn't?

we don't, but the question was who would I give the job to

[shabba]

Limiting the English league to 2-3 players from abroad would have meant the premier league ended up lagging way behind other euro leagues and therefore IMO the quality of English players would drop.

I personally feel we have some elite players because they are at elite clubs with huge budgets, best managers, best facilities and competing against the best players - surely that is a recipe to make a small group of highly elite English players.

[Blue Wilf]

Limiting the English league to 2-3 players from abroad would have meant the premier league ended up lagging way behind other euro leagues and therefore IMO the quality of English players would drop.

I personally feel we have some elite players because they are at elite clubs with huge budgets, best managers, best facilities and competing against the best players - surely that is a recipe to make a small group of highly elite English players.

I see what you mean to a degree, Shabba - but what highly elite players do England have? Bellingham? Don't make me laugh - more interested in modelling than football at 23. Kane? Some success there but not elite in my view. Stones? Mcguire? I don't think so! Its all a sh*t show for me and the FA is the toilet it gets played out in. Wembley is a great stadium in a dreadful place and once again panders to the London elite who don't have far to travel home whereas the rest of the country can't get a train late enough (if at all). Add to that that it cost 5 times what other (arguably better) stadiums cost and you can see the ineptitude of the England set up. So - for me if they do well, I don't care who the manager is (although I would have preferred an Englishman) and if they don't do well, I won't lose any sleep. I will only ever go to Wembley again if Ipswich get there...

[shabba]

Arsenals best attacking player - Saka.
Foden was one of the best players in the whole league last year.
Kane is an elite goal scorer, his record for every club has been insane as well as England.
Bellingham has been very impressive at Real Madrid.
Rice is a top player in my view.
Walker and stones play in a side that won 4x prem titles in a row and a champions league.
Palmer is Chelsea best player despite them spending 1bn or whatever.
Trent is very good etc

I personally feel the talent in the England squad is right up there with any nations.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

I personally feel the talent in the England squad is right up there with any nations.

I don't think so - and I'd bet that if a team was picked from all of the FIFA nations there would not be one Englishman in it.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Limiting the English league to 2-3 players from abroad would have meant the premier league ended up lagging way behind other euro leagues and therefore IMO the quality of English players would drop.

Indeed it might have, at least initially, but I'm sure it would have caught up in time. But it could also be argued that the influx of the best players in the world has pushed up costs massively, and also morphed it into the uneven contest it is today.

[Ricco]

I think you're being extremely harsh Rossi, a team with a boring inept sod of a manger are not going to get as far through tournaments as they have unless they have excellent players. Kane scored 44 goals in 45 games in an excellent division, and in a team that only finished 3rd. As much as I would prefer having my sack waxed than watch him play, to say he's not among the best in the world at what he does is madness. Same can be said for 4 or 5 other players in the team, and that's not being biased, that's the opinion of many in the game, not just the English.

EDIT: Actually I'll forward that message on to blue wilf, he was the critical post I had in mind.

The country is awash with cynical doomsayers, yes the national team have not won anything for a long time and have generally underperformed in that time, but if you don't want to watch it, don't watch it. In my opinion, you run the risk of looking a little silly criticising some clearly very talented players, and further run the risk of looking extremely silly if they do win something!

[marko69]

Just popping by catching snippets….

On this topic……. FTR, i think it’s a FANTASTIC appointment! Take from that what you will !!

[hallamblue]

WEYHEEEEY Marko !!!! Welcome back,even if it's only a passing through gander at the forum.... x

[Bluemike]

Welcome back !!! Not the same without you Marko