Premier League - Ipswich Town vs Newcastle United Preview & Matchday Thread

[lucy]

We need to finish this Season go back down and rebuild

[ashfordblue]

0-5 couldn't hold out

disallowed

[arana peligrosa]

They got a fifth ?, updates indicate it's still 4 - 0. Which is blatantly bad enough.

Let's not p*ss around, this is way beyond demoralizing. Maybe we played well in spells, maybe we weren't as bad as the score suggests but can only focus right now on a clear embarrassment and inability to take advantage of a home situation. We need to be winning these fixtures in hope to ideally survive by end of season. That we can't will only spell out one inevitable outcome.

is it over yet, how much overtime is needed anyhow, can't change the result from this. Still says 4 - 0 ? Bit academic really.

[mendipblue]

Next week he needs to start Walton in goal. With a back 5 or we will get f*cked good and proper.

[Bluemike]

We need to finish this Season go back down and rebuild

I don't think going down and coming back will make the slightest difference tbh, this league for the most part is a closed shop and promoted teams can't compete, added to that its p*ss poor, mind numbingly boring and certainly not entertaining.

[hallamblue]

Well this game was essentially over after just 26seconds, with once again VAR going against us.

But in truth is was men against League One boys. We had literally nothing up front to keep the ball up there, so our defence and defence were putting 8n double shifts as the ball returned again and again into our last 1/3 of the pitch. Muric once again gifted probably what was the killer 3 rd goal in first half injury trimester. WTF was he doing? Why not just hoof it down the pitch?? We’d have got in 2-0 down with maybe a glimmer of. A chance in the second half……

Town have had their attacking force ripped out of the team with injuries and bans to key players, but WHY OH WHY, does McKenna persist with this total bloody football approach when we clearly can’t match the opponent for attacking prowes. Why not change it for once and make it difficult for them to break us down with 5 across the middle and 4 at the back? Why can’t he adapt???

Tonight , I’m just as pissed off with McKenna as I am Muric.

And as for this so called Premier League, well that’s just a fallacy in my book. It’s only about money, which makes it IMPOSSIBLE for any promoted team to have even a remote chance of competing in it. Officials blatantly back the bigger and more established clubs. And VAR certainly does. Yi7. An keep the lot. I’ll say it again. I Hate the PL? It’s sh*t.

[marko69]

Next week he needs to start Walton in goal. With a back 5 or we will get f*cked good and proper.

Got to believe that if he had the idea in his head of swapping Muric for Walton, he'd have done it today @ home to hot & cold Newcastle. Will be astounded if he throws him in at the deep end @ The Emirates. Will be rabbit in the headlights and a record breaking 10-0 defeat.
(Not wagering on that though!)

[Blue Wilf]

Men against boys I am afraid. When are some people on here going to realise that Muric is hopeless and should never be allowed to wear the shirt again and McKenna is making mistake after mistake and not learning? Muric played that pass to Morsy on the center spot 5 times in the first half. Even a non-league team would have worked out what was happening and anticipated it. Either he is thick or someone is telling him to keep playing that pass (ie McKenna) and he is as culpable. No more excuses - he has to be dropped. The 'process' continues to fail and we are going down.

Oh well - only Arsenal and Chelsea next... Happy Christmas.

[marko69]

I’ll say it again. I Hate the PL? It’s sh*t.

For all its difficulties to negotiate ---->> Arsenal vs Ipswich Town still trumps Morecambe vs Ipswich Town ......, or even Millwall vs Ipswich Town.

Teams do survive......., Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth......., maybe that is the answer....., team needs to begin with "B"

Name change. B$stard Ipswich.

Visualise it. Lineker on MOTD......., "Rio, what did you make of B$stard Ipswich today @ The Emirates? Up to 6th in the league."

[lucy]

We need to finish this Season go back down and rebuild

I don't think going down and coming back will make the slightest difference tbh, this league for the most part is a closed shop and promoted teams can't compete, added to that its p*ss poor, mind numbingly boring and certainly not entertaining.

I don't want us to go back up straight away. I want us to go back down rebuild and be the Ipswich that we have been the last 2 Seasons. Watching this is horrid.

[hallamblue]

Marko, I could maybe tolerate this season better, if McKenna was always trying to take on these much stronger squads with his ONLY approach of
“ total football “. Our players aren’t good enough to do this at this level week in , week out, and especially with the injuries we currently have. We’d probably have had a lot more points from being a bit more defensively minded. The guy just won’t entertain it as a strategy will he.

[hallamblue]

Men against boys I am afraid. When are some people on here going to realise that Muric is hopeless and should never be allowed to wear the shirt again and McKenna is making mistake after mistake and not learning? Muric played that pass to Morsy on the center spot 5 times in the first half. Even a non-league team would have worked out what was happening and anticipated it. Either he is thick or someone is telling him to keep playing that pass (ie McKenna) and he is as culpable. No more excuses - he has to be dropped. The 'process' continues to fail and we are going down.

Oh well - only Arsenal and Chelsea next... Happy Christmas.

5 goals from Arsenal , and similar from. Chelsea I fear BW, because McKenna will attack and try and play it out from the back every time.

[marko69]

Marko, I could maybe tolerate this season better, if McKenna was always trying to take on these much stronger squads with his ONLY approach of
“ total football “. Our players aren’t good enough to do this at this level week in , week out, and especially with the injuries we currently have. We’d probably have had a lot more points from being a bit more defensively minded. The guy just won’t entertain it as a strategy will he.

We'll definitely need to agree to disagree on that part highlighted....., and its hypotheticals anyway so no big deal really.

I agree that the players are not good enough. And to be honest, "THE ANSWER" doesn't exist. Putting certain players a few yards further "over there" or a few yards "back there" will not make any difference whatsoever. Need quality EPL players in and good luck to Mash & Co doing it.

I can maybe point blank account blame on the boss for one thing......., and that is continuing with Muric after so many mistakes. IT IS OK to drop players. Can even give them a boost. Not saying Walton or Slicker will be Oliver Khans in the waiting, but it'd be addressing a serious "untouchable attitude" within the keeper.

But ....., he won't do it @ the Emirates ---->> SURELY!
Cue Airplane! quote

[Steve and Jo]

Marko, I could maybe tolerate this season better, if McKenna was always trying to take on these much stronger squads with his ONLY approach of
“ total football “. Our players aren’t good enough to do this at this level week in , week out, and especially with the injuries we currently have. We’d probably have had a lot more points from being a bit more defensively minded. The guy just won’t entertain it as a strategy will he.

We'll definitely need to agree to disagree on that part highlighted....., and its hypotheticals anyway so no big deal really.

I agree that the players are not good enough. And to be honest, "THE ANSWER" doesn't exist. Putting certain players a few yards further "over there" or a few yards "back there" will not make any difference whatsoever. Need quality EPL players in and good luck to Mash & Co doing it.

I can maybe point blank account blame on the boss for one thing......., and that is continuing with Muric after so many mistakes. IT IS OK to drop players. Can even give them a boost. Not saying Walton or Slicker will be Oliver Khans in the waiting, but it'd be addressing a serious "untouchable attitude" within the keeper.

But ....., he won't do it @ the Emirates ---->> SURELY!
Cue Airplane! quote

Until the premier league alters the rules its going to be very hard for a newly promoted club to compete. Look at the other smaller clubs who we should look at and give us belief. All really found it hard when first promoted. Having money in this league doesn't mean safety. Today was hard, we were totally outclassed everywhere though personally i feel would of kept the score down at least if maybe changed to 5 at the back or an extra true battling midfielder to give us cover in front of the back four. maybe 4-3-3 wither Taylor or Philips being the 3rd and have Hutchinson and Szmodics playing behind Ali or whatever.. First 20 seconds and Leif gets caught way our of position. Thought best grow into the game than charge off like charge of the light brigade.. Whatever, tomorrow is another day

Thought Broadhead coming on did okay

[Bluemike]

Let's be honest here, at this level McKenna is floundering and out of his depth, he's living off the past Two seasons which count for nothing now, that's the reality it, he is making the same errors week after week, how any manager with anything about him can't see the failings of Muric is beyond me.

I think at 90% of clubs McKenna's position would currently be under review and that is no exaggeration, Leicester, Wolves and Southampton have made a change to try and turn things around. It's not just the scoreline today but that first half performance was abhorrent.

We fluked a win at a very off colour spurs and nabbed a winner last week against a team in utter turmoil with fighting Two weeks running, a manager on the way out and disgruntled players, hardly inspiring. Half way through a season and that's the Two we've won and when we get a win we all feel it's turning round, its quite simply not. Oh and for the record the process is bollocks and I don't trust in it at all.

[ashfordblue]

I’ll say it again. I Hate the PL? It’s sh*t.

For all its difficulties to negotiate ---->> Arsenal vs Ipswich Town still trumps Morecambe vs Ipswich Town ......, or even Millwall vs Ipswich Town.

Teams do survive......., Brighton, Brentford, Bournemouth......., maybe that is the answer....., team needs to begin with "B"

Name change. B$stard Ipswich.

Visualise it. Lineker on MOTD......., "Rio, what did you make of B$stard Ipswich today @ The Emirates? Up to 6th in the league."

Biswich Town sounds ok

[Ricco]

I don't want us to go back up straight away. I want us to go back down rebuild and be the Ipswich that we have been the last 2 Seasons. Watching this is horrid.

I thinking going down has to be avoided at all costs.

Dropping down we will lose a bunch of our best players and all our momentum. We've also spent so much that we would lose spending power too. We would just become another Championship team and while that has its merits with the state if the PL, it surely shouldn't be the aim?

[hallamblue]

Let's be honest here, at this level McKenna is floundering and out of his depth, he's living off the past Two seasons which count for nothing now, that's the reality it, he is making the same errors week after week, how any manager with anything about him can't see the failings of Muric is beyond me.

I think at 90% of clubs McKenna's position would currently be under review and that is no exaggeration, Leicester, Wolves and Southampton have made a change to try and turn things around. It's not just the scoreline today but that first half performance was abhorrent.

We fluked a win at a very off colour spurs and nabbed a winner last week against a team in utter turmoil with fighting Two weeks running, a manager on the way out and disgruntled players, hardly inspiring. Half way through a season and that's the Two we've won and when we get a win we all feel it's turning round, its quite simply not. Oh and for the record the process is bollocks and I don't trust in it at all.

The problem is McKenna is almost a victim of his own success. He’s got us promoted to the PL via back to back promotions and we still have largely a league one squad. The second thing I think he is straggling with, is he’s trying, at the highest level, too execute a game plan that many of these players are showing they are not capable of executing week in week out. But McKenna is not adapting to a game plan this squad calibre can cope with. That’s HIS mistake, not the squad’s.

[valleyroad]

Let's be honest here, at this level McKenna is floundering and out of his depth, he's living off the past Two seasons which count for nothing now, that's the reality it, he is making the same errors week after week, how any manager with anything about him can't see the failings of Muric is beyond me.

I think at 90% of clubs McKenna's position would currently be under review and that is no exaggeration, Leicester, Wolves and Southampton have made a change to try and turn things around. It's not just the scoreline today but that first half performance was abhorrent.

We fluked a win at a very off colour spurs and nabbed a winner last week against a team in utter turmoil with fighting Two weeks running, a manager on the way out and disgruntled players, hardly inspiring. Half way through a season and that's the Two we've won and when we get a win we all feel it's turning round, its quite simply not. Oh and for the record the process is bollocks and I don't trust in it at all.

Mckenna has a belief in a system that over the whole season he hopes will gain 1 point more than the team in 18th.
He wants to play it each week so the whole squad knows their roles and players rotating can fit in.
He knows there are games where Town will get battered but over the season hopes to get that single point more than 18th
I very much doubt that many managers out there would achieve much more with Ipswich in their first season in the PL.
I don't know a single person outside of Town supporters who though Town will stay up this season.
McKenna is not out of his depth at all. Where exactly did you think Town would be. It just an angry rant of frustration and do you really want to change the manager ?
Mckenna is an outstanding coach hugely regarded at the top level. Just listen to his players about his man management etc
The goal is 17th and Ipswich over a whole season will be close.
All those wanting to go down and rebuild for are talking utter junk. Stay in the PL and build !!
Tired of reading these rants by Town supporters time for a bit of perspective

[mugen1]

Let's be honest here, at this level McKenna is floundering and out of his depth, he's living off the past Two seasons which count for nothing now, that's the reality it, he is making the same errors week after week, how any manager with anything about him can't see the failings of Muric is beyond me.

I think at 90% of clubs McKenna's position would currently be under review and that is no exaggeration, Leicester, Wolves and Southampton have made a change to try and turn things around. It's not just the scoreline today but that first half performance was abhorrent.

We fluked a win at a very off colour spurs and nabbed a winner last week against a team in utter turmoil with fighting Two weeks running, a manager on the way out and disgruntled players, hardly inspiring. Half way through a season and that's the Two we've won and when we get a win we all feel it's turning round, its quite simply not. Oh and for the record the process is bollocks and I don't trust in it at all.

Mckenna has a belief in a system that over the whole season he hopes will gain 1 point more than the team in 18th.
He wants to play it each week so the whole squad knows their roles and players rotating can fit in.
He knows there are games where Town will get battered but over the season hopes to get that single point more than 18th
I very much doubt that many managers out there would achieve much more with Ipswich in their first season in the PL.
I don't know a single person outside of Town supporters who though Town will stay up this season.
McKenna is not out of his depth at all. Where exactly did you think Town would be. It just an angry rant of frustration and do you really want to change the manager ?
Mckenna is an outstanding coach hugely regarded at the top level. Just listen to his players about his man management etc
The goal is 17th and Ipswich over a whole season will be close.
All those wanting to go down and rebuild for are talking utter junk. Stay in the PL and build !!
Tired of reading these rants by Town supporters time for a bit of perspective

But the system isn't working and he's not even willing to tweak it. Remind me again of the definition of madness?!

[valleyroad]

To be honest whatever team McKenna picked today I don’t think we have the resources available to have won this game against a Newcastle side that has played so well. For me this is the poorest I’ve seen us play so far thus season and zu’ve only missed Everton at home and Forest away.

Let's be honest here, at this level McKenna is floundering and out of his depth, he's living off the past Two seasons which count for nothing now, that's the reality it, he is making the same errors week after week, how any manager with anything about him can't see the failings of Muric is beyond me.

I think at 90% of clubs McKenna's position would currently be under review and that is no exaggeration, Leicester, Wolves and Southampton have made a change to try and turn things around. It's not just the scoreline today but that first half performance was abhorrent.

We fluked a win at a very off colour spurs and nabbed a winner last week against a team in utter turmoil with fighting Two weeks running, a manager on the way out and disgruntled players, hardly inspiring. Half way through a season and that's the Two we've won and when we get a win we all feel it's turning round, its quite simply not. Oh and for the record the process is bollocks and I don't trust in it at all.

Mckenna has a belief in a system that over the whole season he hopes will gain 1 point more than the team in 18th.
He wants to play it each week so the whole squad knows their roles and players rotating can fit in.
He knows there are games where Town will get battered but over the season hopes to get that single point more than 18th
I very much doubt that many managers out there would achieve much more with Ipswich in their first season in the PL.
I don't know a single person outside of Town supporters who though Town will stay up this season.
McKenna is not out of his depth at all. Where exactly did you think Town would be. It just an angry rant of frustration and do you really want to change the manager ?
Mckenna is an outstanding coach hugely regarded at the top level. Just listen to his players about his man management etc
The goal is 17th and Ipswich over a whole season will be close.
All those wanting to go down and rebuild for are talking utter junk. Stay in the PL and build !!
Tired of reading these rants by Town supporters time for a bit of perspective

But the system isn't working and he's not even willing to tweak it. Remind me again of the definition of madness?!

Remind me again of what the goal is ?
17th, the system is 2 points of it with a window coming.
In the main Town have competed all season. Muric has thrown a few points
Where exactly did you think Town would be. He won't change the system as he believes over the season it's the best option to get 17th.
Bigger picture and all that.

[hallamblue]

Time will tell, I guess.

I think McKenna has a free hit this season tbh. Whatever happens, this Club will not be sacking him. He might, of course, walk away , but Adhtom eont pul the trigger. The cutthroat nature that the game is these days, the same could not be said, had McKenna been manager at a different club, in this situation.


I will qualify before some jump down my throat. I am NOT personally advocating he is sacked. I think he's earned this free hit.

[MMJR67]

Most of our squad is not good enough for this league. No other manager will change that fact.

Mckenna is doing the best he can with what he has.

[mugen1]

Most of our squad is not good enough for this league. No other manager will change that fact.

Mckenna is doing the best he can with what he has.

Is he though? Where does he keep playing Hutchinson? Is that getting the best out of him?

[Ricco]

Just watching some the goals we've conceded recently, I can't help but think an extra centre back would have helped with each immeasurably.

Clarke and Davis are not good defenders, probably 3/10 in this league, sorry to say it. So let them be bad defenders, let them be wing backs.

I think McKenna is petrified that that will make our goals dry up, but it won't, Davis is such a talent going forward that he will make up for it with assists. We have to start with a strong foundation and we're failing miserably at that.

I always say scoring goals gets you promoted (as we've seen in the last couple of seasons), but defences keep you up. We have to defend first.

McKenna is doing what Kompany did last season and he hasn't learnt from them. He has to adapt, because unless we spend £50m+ in January and get 4 or 5 cracking buys, then we're going down with this system, simple as that.

[MMJR67]

Most of our squad is not good enough for this league. No other manager will change that fact.

Mckenna is doing the best he can with what he has.

Is he though? Where does he keep playing Hutchinson? Is that getting the best out of him?

It is when he has so little quality to pick from .

[mugen1]

Most of our squad is not good enough for this league. No other manager will change that fact.

Mckenna is doing the best he can with what he has.

Is he though? Where does he keep playing Hutchinson? Is that getting the best out of him?

It is when he has so little quality to pick from .

Fair point

[Blue Wilf]

Most of our squad is not good enough for this league. No other manager will change that fact.

Mckenna is doing the best he can with what he has.

Is he though? Where does he keep playing Hutchinson? Is that getting the best out of him?

It is when he has so little quality to pick from .

Sorry Guys but how can you still think the sun shines of his arse? I don't want him to go but I DO want him to recognise when he is flogging a dead horse with his one dimensional tactics. He is NOT in my opinion doing his best with what he has. He is asking them to play in a manner they are not capable of and will not flex that style to accommodate their skillsets and blindly carries on. You cannot surely keep supporting Muric when he does what he did today EVERY BLOODY WEEK!?? It is McKenna that oicks him and presumably McKenna who tells him to keep making that suicide pass to Morsy on the penalty spot. FFS - 5 times in the first half! Even I could have bloody anticipated it and intercepted it!

He gets £5M or whatever a year and needs to start earning it. Look at Forest - better players than us, granted but they went to Brentford today and played a system that got them a win which was a different system to the one they played last week and the week before. Where is our change of system?? We don't have one. Wake up and smell the coffee for goodness sake!

[valleyroad]

Is he though? Where does he keep playing Hutchinson? Is that getting the best out of him?

It is when he has so little quality to pick from .

Sorry Guys but how can you still think the sun shines of his arse? I don't want him to go but I DO want him to recognise when he is flogging a dead horse with his one dimensional tactics. He is NOT in my opinion doing his best with what he has. He is asking them to play in a manner they are not capable of and will not flex that style to accommodate their skillsets and blindly carries on. You cannot surely keep supporting Muric when he does what he did today EVERY BLOODY WEEK!?? It is McKenna that oicks him and presumably McKenna who tells him to keep making that suicide pass to Morsy on the penalty spot. FFS - 5 times in the first half! Even I could have bloody anticipated it and intercepted it!

He gets £5M or whatever a year and needs to start earning it. Look at Forest - better players than us, granted but they went to Brentford today and played a system that got them a win which was a different system to the one they played last week and the week before. Where is our change of system?? We don't have one. Wake up and smell the coffee for goodness sake!

He doesn't believe that Town are better in another system. He thinks it weakens them. He believes the system he plays with the squad he has is the best he can do with it no matter who they play.
He has had his beliefs in how he wants to play before he came to Town. Very similar to Ange at Spurs.
His aim is 17th and he believes this approach is the way to achieve it.
You can disagree with all you want which is fine but with this current squad it won't change.
I also think a lot of folks are not getting the scale of the challenge that McKenna faces.

[Blue Wilf]

It is when he has so little quality to pick from .

Sorry Guys but how can you still think the sun shines of his arse? I don't want him to go but I DO want him to recognise when he is flogging a dead horse with his one dimensional tactics. He is NOT in my opinion doing his best with what he has. He is asking them to play in a manner they are not capable of and will not flex that style to accommodate their skillsets and blindly carries on. You cannot surely keep supporting Muric when he does what he did today EVERY BLOODY WEEK!?? It is McKenna that oicks him and presumably McKenna who tells him to keep making that suicide pass to Morsy on the penalty spot. FFS - 5 times in the first half! Even I could have bloody anticipated it and intercepted it!

He gets £5M or whatever a year and needs to start earning it. Look at Forest - better players than us, granted but they went to Brentford today and played a system that got them a win which was a different system to the one they played last week and the week before. Where is our change of system?? We don't have one. Wake up and smell the coffee for goodness sake!

He doesn't believe that Town are better in another system. He thinks it weakens them. He believes the system he plays with the squad he has is the best he can do with it no matter who they play.
He has had his beliefs in how he wants to play before he came to Town. Very similar to Ange at Spurs.
His aim is 17th and he believes this approach is the way to achieve it.
You can disagree with all you want which is fine but with this current squad it won't change.

Then we really are doomed...