Ipswich Town vs Southampton F.A. Cup 3rd Round Replay

[marko69]

Got to give the linesman credit...... Just saw the ITFC disallowed goal. Pretty sure Hunts pinky nail was offside. Well spotted Lino.

[Charnwood]

Unfortunately we rarely do ourselves justice in front of the television cameras which is why so many nuetrals don't understand why were doing so well in the league this season.

[marko69]

I suspect Gary and the boys were watching that one anyway. I know I would have been.

Terry would've been watching his "how to be a manager with a fking clue" DVD.

[ipswichtownNo1]

I suspect Gary and the boys were watching that one anyway. I know I would have been.

Terry would've been watching his "how to be a manager with a fking clue" DVD.

Oi! Leave terry out of this. Hes a legend. Oh, unless you mean venables was there and i missed it.

[phily bon bon]

The the commentaters here in Denmark were even less compliamentry to us saying we creates nothing only rally played long balls and of the top championship sides that have been televised over this round were the worst of the bunch. They seemed to think that we could´nt keep the ball on the ground and played route one. Murphy looked out of his depth and Macarthy had taken us as far as he could.

A real slatting from the so called pundits over here. I admit it was´nt pretty and we got what we deserved NOTHING, but there were some positives in my eyes. Though few and far between we should remember we played a side thats drawn with Chelski, and beaten both Arsenal at home and Man U at old trafford,they are no mugs.
Bru looked more than ok in the middle and Mings really is the business. Good Mick tried to shake it up with Mings as a winger but really gutted we never threatened.

The disallowed goal could have given us the inputus to push on but we never got the rub of the green.

Lets bounce back at a p*ss poor Millwall.

[Charnwood]

At least Millwall should go into Saturday's game far more demoralised than Town after their 4-0 drubbing at the hands of Bradford City.

Just a shame that our poor showing was in front of the largest attendance of the night and the best crowd at Portman Road for a long time, some who probably won't be in a hurry to return.

[marko69]

Apologies. He has fkd off from Hibs now......., it's in the past. Thanks for relegating us though Terry!

[Mr.Punch]

i don't know what to say after that, it was dire to say the least.
i've seen 2 live games season, this one and naridge

[arana peligrosa]

Obviously pleased we got through tonight, Ipswich are a decent side who have done very well in the championship league and I didn't think we could make it through the replay at a difficult venue, but confident we can beat Crystal Palace in the fourth round and go further in the competition and a possible repeat of the euphoria of 1976.


And that's what you get for picking the wrong username..


Let's start again.... there will be those content enough that we lost tonight as we can now concentate on league matters but I'm sorry that our cup run this year can proceed no further. Yes Southampton are a useful side, they're not in a false position in their division and possess players of merit, but thought what with home advantage and the crowd behind us it would be enough to work in our favor. I'm old enough to know what it feels like to support an Ipswich FA Cup winning side and that's another year gone where we won't return and you have to wonder how many more opportunities you're going to get, but when you are eliminated from this competition, particularly at an early stage, it's nice to look back and remember better times.

It's frustrating because if we had got through today, I feel we would've beaten Crystal Palace in the next round and who knows how far the team could have progressed after that. Once again, we have the league to fall back on and can put all attention into that objective, but a cup run would've been mighty fine if only the opposition hadn't put us out so early. Not much more to add on this issue, but obvious disappointment, along with a great many others it's safe to say.

[Bluemike]

Well that was a terrible game from start to finish and apart from the opening 15 minutes when I thought we looked up for it we really didnt get into any sort of rhythem at all. There just seemed no tempo to our play at all and it was all very disjointed, of course losing our whole regular Midfield didnt help but even so it wasnt a good performance by us. That said they werent any better and scored from their first chance in the match which yet again was from a defensive error, thats Three games in a row now that we have gifted the opposition a goal.

Luke Hyam was dreadful again tonight just as he was against Derby, as was Chambo who had a poor evening. I think MM is quite right that once they scored they killed the game and we didnt have the nous to get back into it but we do have to remember who we were playing here and of course they are much better than us, I just wish we had "given it a real go" in the second half.

I am concerned about McGoldrick though, once again bloody awful and selfish, does the odd good thing but his decision making in the last few game is shocking while his confidence looks shot to bits, he really needs a goal at Millwall. Mings looked quality when he came on, we need to go up or hge will be gone in the Summer, 100% certain. I thought Kevin Bru did well tonight too but got little help from the Midfielders around him.

We have to move on, no more distractions from the main job in hand, winning promotion, the big one for me was always Millwall over this game and a win saturday will have me forgetting the cup defeat already. Onwards and upwards.

[Dazzz67]

Agree, the game was a bit dull but we didn't get a drubbing!

But, on a slightly different note, Mark 'I am c*ck' Lawrenson, what a miserable, boring and whingy git he is, yeah we were not fantastic but didn't he go on, losing 0 -1 to a top Prem unit was a pretty good achievement I reckon. So Mr L, shut the '*' up ok

[barmy billy]

It would be very easy to criticise individual members of the team after last nights showing, but it would achieve little useful purpose. Yes, our regular midfield was missing, but Southampton also played a very different team to usual. We never really competed on an equal footing and they never had to get out of first gear. Just thoroughly disappointing all round, especially in front of the cameras: again.

Let's just ensure we hammer Millwall, just as Bradford did last night.

[ashfordblue]

Well that was a terrible game from start to finish and apart from the opening 15 minutes when I thought we looked up for it we really didnt get into any sort of rhythem at all. There just seemed no tempo to our play at all and it was all very disjointed, of course losing our whole regular Midfield didnt help but even so it wasnt a good performance by us. That said they werent any better and scored from their first chance in the match which yet again was from a defensive error, thats Three games in a row now that we have gifted the opposition a goal.

Luke Hyam was dreadful again tonight just as he was against Derby, as was Chambo who had a poor evening. I think MM is quite right that once they scored they killed the game and we didnt have the nous to get back into it but we do have to remember who we were playing here and of course they are much better than us, I just wish we had "given it a real go" in the second half.

I am concerned about McGoldrick though, once again bloody awful and selfish, does the odd good thing but his decision making in the last few game is shocking while his confidence looks shot to bits, he really needs a goal at Millwall. Mings looked quality when he came on, we need to go up or hge will be gone in the Summer, 100% certain. I thought Kevin Bru did well tonight too but got little help from the Midfielders around him.

We have to move on, no more distractions from the main job in hand, winning promotion, the big one for me was always Millwall over this game and a win saturday will have me forgetting the cup defeat already. Onwards and upwards.

Just my thoughts entirely Mike, it just showed how far we still have to go if we get promoted this season, Hyam was awful headless chicken comes to mind, but was impressed by Bru & Mings, Hunt got through a load of work, and once Didsy took that knock he wasn't really a threat, did ok but the Saints defence with 5 across the back was always going to be difficult to break down, so lets get a result at the Den Saturday and start another run.

[herforder]

Sometimes the hype and expectation surrounding the occasion eclipses the game itself. Last night was such an example, with MM's description of it being a 'damp squid' spot on. He has said recently that he doesn't watch games through blue-tinted glasses, and whilst there were mitigating circumstances in terms of player non-availability for both this and the Derby fixture, there will clearly be some issues for him to consider as we move on. No point in labouring them - most have been given comprehensive airings in the local media and on this and other sites. (Interesting to see player rating scores in today's local Star - the Reporter 's got them spot on!)

Arguably, the next 3 or so games become key in defining how we respond; and perhaps tell us whether we have the horsepower - in terms of quality- within our small, tightly-knit, squad to see the season through to a successful conclusion - eg either automatic promotion, or play-off contenders. Really hope we can put the past couple of performances behind us and move on a bit wiser, stronger and even more determined not to slip backwards.

[hallamblue]

I firmly believe MM has to act now and bring in 2-3 new players.

The players / performances over the last couple of games have appeared laboured and lacklustre. Players are picking up injuries ( which we always expect this time of the season) and also being laid low with a virus. Even if one or two do return for the Millwall game, they will be under par given their recent illness. Our squad is very small, and our cover in certain areas is laughably thin. In the most recent games, ive felt we have looked heavy legged. Saturday is a game frankly, we must win.

He needs to act now. Or these two losses can soon roll into 3, or 4 losses or draws. Some may say this is a knee jerk reaction. But it isnt, its more about reading the signs/symptoms and managing the situation before we end up in poor run of form, which would see us drop down the pecking order. The division is that close we actually cant afford too many draws or losses.

[J4ck22]

I can't help but feel some are over reacting about this... We lose narrowly to Derby and no one worries, but then we lose narrowly to Southampton and suddenly everyone is worrying? Come on. We'll go and beat Millwall on saturday and everyone will forget all about yesterday.

[Charnwood]

It's not just the simple fact that we lost those two games J4ck, it's also the manner of those two defeats and the fact that we didn't really do ourselves justice especially in last night's game which was a "one off" and we offered absolutely nothing going forward.

Last nights defeat wasn't really a narrow lose, Southampton were in complete control throughout and we were miles behind in class which probably shouldn't surprise us if we're honest with ourselves. Losing to Derby was far more disappointing to me because in reality I thought we were capable of much more than we offered on Saturday.

Yes we should be able to win comfortably at Millwall this coming weekend and I sincerely hope we do, but performances like our last two games at Portman Road should really serve as a wake up call and a reality check on how fragile we really are and how much work still has to be done to keep us up there with the very best in The Championship. We need to realise that the season is far from over and understand that MM still has a difficult job on his hands if he's going to take us to the promised land.

If we simply sweep those two performances under the carpet as if they didn't happen we do so at our peril. My bet is that MM will be looking at both games over and over again looking at what went wrong and what we need to do differently to make sure we learn from our mistakes.

[J4ck22]

It's not just the simple fact that we lost those two games J4ck, it's also the manner of those two defeats and the fact that we didn't really do ourselves justice especially in last night's game which was a "one off" and we offered absolutely nothing going forward.

Last nights defeat wasn't really a narrow lose, Southampton were in complete control throughout and we were miles behind in class which probably shouldn't surprise us if we're honest with ourselves. Losing to Derby was far more disappointing to me because in reality I thought we were capable of much more than we offered on Saturday.

Yes we should be able to win comfortably at Millwall this coming weekend and I sincerely hope we do, but performances like our last two games at Portman Road should really serve as a wake up call and a reality check on how fragile we really are and how much work still has to be done to keep us up there with the very best in The Championship. We need to realise that the season is far from over and understand that MM still has a difficult job on his hands if he's going to take us to the promised land.

If we simply sweep those two performances under the carpet as if they didn't happen we do so at our peril. My bet is that MM will be looking at both games over and over again looking at what went wrong and what we need to do differently to make sure we learn from our mistakes.

Were they really in complete control though? Defensively I'd agree, but going forward they were almost as bad as we were and created next to nothing other than their goal. Even so, why is it so surprising? Southhampton have been very, very good this season and losing to them and being outplayed is hardly a shock or shameful. We've just come off a 12 or something game unbeaten run, we can't win everything and believe it or not but sometimes performances won't be so good and we will lose.

[The Don]

We can certainly do without any additional fixtures as we're looking tired enough as it is. I said before the game that I'd quite happily see us bow out. They'd be no shame in losing to Southampton, especially having held them at their place. As long as it wasn't a rout and we werent disgraced, it was fine with me. Losing 1-0 wasn't too bad, considering.

Fecking sh*te to watch though weren't it?

[alants32]

Some people are panicking after a defeat to the best team in the championship and the the third best team in England.
How far have we come in one year?
I am delighted/ amazed/ astonished by our progress.
Get real, and support Mick and the team!

[Bluemike]

I agree with Jack, it is the usual over reaction to a defeat. We are nowhere near in any kind of crisis whatsoever, we have and always have had a small squad and that is the very thing our close knit success this season is built upon. Wordsworth, Taylor, Veseli and Nouble going have no weakened us at all as they havent and never were goping to play. Yes Sammon has gone and we need a replacement to boost the striking options, but apart form that we are fine.

I dont get what is meant by the manner of the defeats against Derby & Southampton ?? Against Derby we had no luck with decisions and it was their keeper that made 5 saves not ours, it was our second defeat in 22 games for crying out loud. Yes last night we werent great, it was a poor offering by both sides and oh dear we lost 1-0 with half a team out to a weakened Southampton side who had beaten Arsenal & Man Utd and held Chelseas, the very same team that have conceded a mere 15 goals or something all season long, have some perspective here, lose to Millwall and yes we can com plain but apart from that NOTHING has changed, absolutely nothing.

[hallamblue]

I hope you're right Mike.

[marko69]

Are the overreactions on other websites? I am not seeing anyone overreact on this forum. Alants32 post has been the most confusing. Can you send a link to the panickers, I'd like to read that stuff.

[derick_ipsw]

Some people are panicking after a defeat to the best team in the championship and the the third best team in England.
How far have we come in one year?
I am delighted/ amazed/ astonished by our progress.
Get real, and support Mick and the team!

I agree with everything you say, its just a shame two of are worst performances this season have come back to back and on TV.

[marko69]

Some people are panicking after a defeat to the best team in the championship and the the third best team in England.
How far have we come in one year?
I am delighted/ amazed/ astonished by our progress.
Get real, and support Mick and the team!

Mick the fk OUT.

Did any of you hear Mick say the "on this day in history" part for Chris Evans breakfast show yesterday morning? Was quite good to hear him. My son does a great impression of Mick........, "Ma names Mick Ma Cath-eh, and ah tell ye this, fkn no one is baaa'in Taarone Mings, ah raht? Fkn, no one!"

[Charnwood]

It's not just the simple fact that we lost those two games J4ck, it's also the manner of those two defeats and the fact that we didn't really do ourselves justice especially in last night's game which was a "one off" and we offered absolutely nothing going forward.

Last nights defeat wasn't really a narrow lose, Southampton were in complete control throughout and we were miles behind in class which probably shouldn't surprise us if we're honest with ourselves. Losing to Derby was far more disappointing to me because in reality I thought we were capable of much more than we offered on Saturday.

Yes we should be able to win comfortably at Millwall this coming weekend and I sincerely hope we do, but performances like our last two games at Portman Road should really serve as a wake up call and a reality check on how fragile we really are and how much work still has to be done to keep us up there with the very best in The Championship. We need to realise that the season is far from over and understand that MM still has a difficult job on his hands if he's going to take us to the promised land.

If we simply sweep those two performances under the carpet as if they didn't happen we do so at our peril. My bet is that MM will be looking at both games over and over again looking at what went wrong and what we need to do differently to make sure we learn from our mistakes.

Were they really in complete control though? Defensively I'd agree, but going forward they were almost as bad as we were and created next to nothing other than their goal. Even so, why is it so surprising? Southhampton have been very, very good this season and losing to them and being outplayed is hardly a shock or shameful. We've just come off a 12 or something game unbeaten run, we can't win everything and believe it or not but sometimes performances won't be so good and we will lose.

If you read my second para Jack it says "which shouldn't surprise us" so I guess we both agree Southampton were expected to win and therefore our defeat didn't come as a surprise or a shock to either of us........what I guess we disagree on is the ease with which Southampton won.

As far as I saw it they only needed to score one goal because their defence was so much in control we could have played all night and never scored, so they did the bare minimum they needed to do to win and didn't over stretch themselves.

I don't believe I'm over reacting, what I'm saying is that we need to learn from two defeats and not just simply accept them and sweep them under the carpet just because we were playing better sides......... and assume that normal service will automatically resume as soon as the opposition gets a little easier. Unfortunately in The Championship it isn't that simple and we have no right to expect another long run of undefeated games to commence, just because we've lost a couple of games to better teams.

I certainly don't consider myself to be a panicker, cos rightly or wrongly that's something I never do even in times and situations when maybe I should. However what I am saying, is that a good manager like MM will not brush these two defeats under the carpet and kid himself they didn't happen, but instead will learn from them and try to make sure the players improve as a consequence.

The problem we have on this and other forums is that some people just can't accept any form of criticism of the team even when it's constructive or deserved, but simply see it as either an over reaction or utter panic.

[marko69]

Top post, Charnwood. All of it is spot on.

[arana peligrosa]

Reading some previous responses, the cup exit is of course disappointing, particularly at the first stage, but if you had offered at the start of season to be in third position going into the new year and one point from the league summit, we'd have taken their hands off. Looking ahead at the subsequent games coming up :

Millwall A

Brighton Hove Albion A

Wigan Athletic H

Rotherham A

Sheffield Wednedsay H

Is there any reason why we can't take all 15 points from those fixtures alone ? We have the capabilities, it's always said that all teams are beatable, but it's true : looking at those five games as they are, there's real opportunity ahead to strengthen the hold near the automatic promotion places and every chance Derby and Bournemouth will themselves drop points, so quote me if you like, but when those aforementioned games and opposition are done, I'd expect points in double figures and to be in either first or second place.

If it all goes to sh*t, then fair enough, I was wrong, but McCarthy will be aware of the task ahead and rally the players (including those returning from virus) and realize that we're halfway to a task well done.

PS Blackburn away on the final day is highly significant as we maintained our EPL status there back in 1994, so that could be the venue to once again see Town celebrations, this time with a promotion to our name.

[marko69]

Hoping that if the final game v blackburn is significant, it isn't on TV.

Jinx bstd cameras.

[herforder]

It's not just the simple fact that we lost those two games J4ck, it's also the manner of those two defeats and the fact that we didn't really do ourselves justice especially in last night's game which was a "one off" and we offered absolutely nothing going forward.

Last nights defeat wasn't really a narrow lose, Southampton were in complete control throughout and we were miles behind in class which probably shouldn't surprise us if we're honest with ourselves. Losing to Derby was far more disappointing to me because in reality I thought we were capable of much more than we offered on Saturday.

Yes we should be able to win comfortably at Millwall this coming weekend and I sincerely hope we do, but performances like our last two games at Portman Road should really serve as a wake up call and a reality check on how fragile we really are and how much work still has to be done to keep us up there with the very best in The Championship. We need to realise that the season is far from over and understand that MM still has a difficult job on his hands if he's going to take us to the promised land.



If we simply sweep those two performances under the carpet as if they didn't happen we do so at our peril. My bet is that MM will be looking at both games over and over again looking at what went wrong and what we need to do differently to make sure we learn from our mistakes.

Were they really in complete control though? Defensively I'd agree, but going forward they were almost as bad as we were and created next to nothing other than their goal. Even so, why is it so surprising? Southhampton have been very, very good this season and losing to them and being outplayed is hardly a shock or shameful. We've just come off a 12 or something game unbeaten run, we can't win everything and believe it or not but sometimes performances won't be so good and we will lose.

If you read my second para Jack it says "which shouldn't surprise us" so I guess we both agree Southampton were expected to win and therefore our defeat didn't come as a surprise or a shock to either of us........what I guess we disagree on is the ease with which Southampton won.

As far as I saw it they only needed to score one goal because their defence was so much in control we could have played all night and never scored, so they did the bare minimum they needed to do to win and didn't over stretch themselves.

I don't believe I'm over reacting, what I'm saying is that we need to learn from two defeats and not just simply accept them and sweep them under the carpet just because we were playing better sides......... and assume that normal service will automatically resume as soon as the opposition gets a little easier. Unfortunately in The Championship it isn't that simple and we have no right to expect another long run of undefeated games to commence, just because we've lost a couple of games to better teams.

I certainly don't consider myself to be a panicker, cos rightly or wrongly that's something I never do even in times and situations when maybe I should. However what I am saying, is that a good manager like MM will not brush these two defeats under the carpet and kid himself they didn't happen, but instead will learn from them and try to make sure the players improve as a consequence.

The problem we have on this and other forums is that some people just can't accept any form of criticism of the team even when it's constructive or deserved, but simply see it as either an over reaction or utter panic.

Probably from the Brian Clough school of debate: "Very happy to discuss anything with anyone, provided they agree that I'm always going to be right"

Talking of Mr Clough, our current blip-ette is a minor distraction compared to what's gone wrong with NF and Stuart Pearce's season. Can imagine the intensity and passion on their fan sites! Defeat against Derby could bring his time there to an end. All things in perspective, therefore!