Does Micks son know something we dont?

[hallamblue]

http://www.thesecretfootballer.com/arti ... e/#slide-8

Notice his reported comment in this article, then consider the Fulham links that wont go away.


Thoughts people?

[The Don]

First thoughts were it was an interesting insight, now i don't know whether I buy it.

Mick is supposed to have thought he took us as far as he could 18 months ago? I think we'd all agree that it's been a steady improvement ever since he took over. Granted recent results aside, but overall its gradually got better.

Then there's the picking gems out of nowhere. Like who? Mings probably, but the rest? I'm sure most people had heard the names we've brought in before.

Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, but I get the feeling it's a bit of a hatchet article.

[hallamblue]

My thoughts are.
1.If there is any truth in the Fulham thing and the inference in this article that he's taken us as far as he can go, this could also be a bargining tool for MM with Evans for future funding next season?

2. My reservations are raised with the time span of 18 months ago when MM was supposed to have said this to his son. All a bit iffy.

[The Don]

Yeah, can't disagree with that.

I think we all feel that Mick could have done with some more budget to play with. In fact, given the kitty that Keane and Jewell splurged, we'd have potentially been sitting pretty at the top.

It's the time frame that brings doubt in my mind as well. As far as he could 18 months ago, yet we've had potentially our best season in years. Curious.

[marko69]

That story of bumping into Micks son is arguably a bigger pile of Shyte than any other story. Still can't understand why people thought the Fulham story was "lazy journalism". Sounded bang on the money to me.

[hallamblue]

Someone has since stated that this site is written by Dave Kitson. So possible?

[number 9]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if MM takes the Fulham job. Why wouldn't he?...closer to home...big budget for transfers. And to be honest, I'm prepared for that to happen. I'm not saying I want MM to go. I'm just acknowledging the possibility. I can only hope that ME and the illustrious board of directors have considered the possibility of MM moving on and are in the process of finding a replacement...just in case. Which brings us to another debate really, doesn't it? If indeed MM does bugger off...who'd be the best replacement? Warburton has been mentioned already, and I dare say big Sam Allardyce will be in the picture as well. Any ideas....?

[hallamblue]

Paul Lambert!

[Bluemike]

But Mick hasnt taken us as far as he can, to be honest I don't see what the article is getting at ??

[herforder]

Story would have more credibility if MM's son was a buyer for John Lewis or M&S!

[Bluemike]

Not for me it wouldnt, I doubt he even had the convo.

[marko69]

Story would have more credibility if MM's son was a buyer for John Lewis or M&S!

But then.....

*womans voice *

"This story wouldn't have been a usual bullshit story......., it would've been an M&S bullshit story."

[ashfordblue]

What's the saying, no smoke without fire, so it could be true?? but I think what we all need to get into perspective is we are Fooking broke, £86 million debt and rising, any true billionaire owner of a football club will move heaven and earth to reach the golden goose premier league, and fook the FFP rules, 130 Million for god's sake, its worth bending the rules for that type of income into your club, but as I have said ME uses us as a tax loss, so why would he spend money to get us promoted and lose that tax loss, swings and roundabouts in business, and fook what the fans want, when has M E openly stood in front of the fans, and said he will take us to the promised land?????????????????? never, so don't build your hopes up.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

But Mick hasnt taken us as far as he can, to be honest I don't see what the article is getting at ??

actually Mike, I think he HAS taken us far as he can with the financial constraints he has had put on him.
If we get promoted this year then hopefully ME will not use the PL bounty to recover his personal investment but will allow MM to invest in quality players. But otherwise...........
I think we'd all agree that the other 7 teams in the top 8 have more quality in their squads than we do. True, 3 of them will get promoted, but conversely 3 will come down from the PL with their massive parachute payments. So if - as seems likely - MM has next season in the Championship with the same financial resources as this season, we really can't expect the team to improve it's position.

[marko69]

But Mick hasnt taken us as far as he can, to be honest I don't see what the article is getting at ??

actually Mike, I think he HAS taken us far as he can with the financial constraints he has had put on him.
If we get promoted this year then hopefully ME will not use the PL bounty to recover his personal investment but will allow MM to invest in quality players. But otherwise...........
I think we'd all agree that the other 7 teams in the top 8 have more quality in their squads than we do. True, 3 of them will get promoted, but conversely 3 will come down from the PL with their massive parachute payments. So if - as seems likely - MM has next season in the Championship with the same financial resources as this season, we really can't expect the team to improve it's position.

*American radical evangelist voice*

Heeya there, Rawwwssi......, are yawl a believer son......., are ya? Ah can predict the future to ye dear boy......., and The Lord comes to me heeeeemself, Praise to ya Lord, and he utters to me that yawl dear Rawwwssi, yep you dear boy, are gonna be reminded of them there Wiganites from the North and thems cottaging fuckers from the Sath........, that the Lord said, Take your big colourful flappin parachutes of payments and proceed henceforth to play the game of soccer like big girlies......., and so it came to pass yawl Rawwwssi, and youz ah gonna be reminded of that dear boy........, PRAISE THE LORD!

[larrylamb]

Well for me MM has done a great job to date , maybe as good as anybody could have done..but.!!! unless something changes be that either investment in the squad from ME or MM approach to the game (highly unlikely) or even the manager himself, it is not that far fetched to say we will end up stagnating as a mid table hoofball team that plays in the main often dire to watch football crowds will drop again and we will get stuck in a viscous circle as a club - will our better players want to stay on that basis, i very much doubt it.

FFP has really created a closed club for the PL and i can only foresee a handful of clubs yo-yo,ing in and out the rest is a done deal as was the PL intention

As Rossi has mentioned the teams coming down will have money to use we do not it appears..i think we only got Williams & Fryers (and not sure why if he is not fit) because we got rid of Taylors wages (mentioned he was on around 10,000 a week.!! )

Something has to give or change if we want any sort of meaningful progress or change ( i don't mean a few places in the table) , MM can only do so much with free,s and loans..these players are in that bracket for a reason..I think MM has taken us as far as he can given the constraints.

Will anything change..i doubt it unless Mick does go to Fulham and i dont see that being all that daft at all for him to be honest

[herforder]

Lots of speculating and second-guessing on this one, with most bases touched: would MM be likely to walk away mid contract? What are his professional aspirations and goals? Can they be realised with Town, operating on a limited budget? Would Fulham (if, indeed, the rumour has any legs) provide a bigger, better and ultimately potentially more successful challenge? Would his domestic situation be more conducive based in S London? Etc etc.

Or, is he truly happy to carry on operating as now, with full autonomy, relishing the challenge of continuing to progress on limited funds, but knowing the limitations in terms of squad improvement?

Anyone speaking with MM in the near future - FFS give us the answers!

[J4ck22]

Is this supposed to prove that Mick is leaving? I don't understand.

[marko69]

Herforder quote:
Anyone speaking with MM in the near future - FFS give us the answers.
End quote

Nice.

[Bluemike]

Is this supposed to prove that Mick is leaving? I don't understand.

You and me both, lets see if the convo is the same Tuesday evening.

[Bluemike]

But Mick hasnt taken us as far as he can, to be honest I don't see what the article is getting at ??

actually Mike, I think he HAS taken us far as he can with the financial constraints he has had put on him.
If we get promoted this year then hopefully ME will not use the PL bounty to recover his personal investment but will allow MM to invest in quality players. But otherwise...........
I think we'd all agree that the other 7 teams in the top 8 have more quality in their squads than we do. True, 3 of them will get promoted, but conversely 3 will come down from the PL with their massive parachute payments. So if - as seems likely - MM has next season in the Championship with the same financial resources as this season, we really can't expect the team to improve it's position.

If we get promoted this year ? If that is still a possibility then clearly he hasnt taken us as far as he can as we are currently 8th.

I certainly dont believe Wolves or Brentford have anymore quality than us.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

But Mick hasnt taken us as far as he can, to be honest I don't see what the article is getting at ??

actually Mike, I think he HAS taken us far as he can with the financial constraints he has had put on him.
If we get promoted this year then hopefully ME will not use the PL bounty to recover his personal investment but will allow MM to invest in quality players. But otherwise...........
I think we'd all agree that the other 7 teams in the top 8 have more quality in their squads than we do. True, 3 of them will get promoted, but conversely 3 will come down from the PL with their massive parachute payments. So if - as seems likely - MM has next season in the Championship with the same financial resources as this season, we really can't expect the team to improve it's position.

*American radical evangelist voice*

Heeya there, Rawwwssi......, are yawl a believer son......., are ya? Ah can predict the future to ye dear boy......., and The Lord comes to me heeeeemself, Praise to ya Lord, and he utters to me that yawl dear Rawwwssi, yep you dear boy, are gonna be reminded of them there Wiganites from the North and thems cottaging fuckers from the Sath........, that the Lord said, Take your big colourful flappin parachutes of payments and proceed henceforth to play the game of soccer like big girlies......., and so it came to pass yawl Rawwwssi, and youz ah gonna be reminded of that dear boy........, PRAISE THE LORD!

yawn.........I recall looking through this board during the close season and seeing posts from you bemoaning the fact that there was little football discussion going on.
You could have replied saying 'look at Fulham and Wigan, there are 2 teams that parachute payments seem to have done no good for'. But no, you have to hijack the thread with your puerile prattle - the same as you have done to quite a few threads lately. Not at all funny in my book - you remind me of a sharp needle.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

But Mick hasnt taken us as far as he can, to be honest I don't see what the article is getting at ??

actually Mike, I think he HAS taken us far as he can with the financial constraints he has had put on him.
If we get promoted this year then hopefully ME will not use the PL bounty to recover his personal investment but will allow MM to invest in quality players. But otherwise...........
I think we'd all agree that the other 7 teams in the top 8 have more quality in their squads than we do. True, 3 of them will get promoted, but conversely 3 will come down from the PL with their massive parachute payments. So if - as seems likely - MM has next season in the Championship with the same financial resources as this season, we really can't expect the team to improve it's position.

If we get promoted this year ? If that is still a possibility then clearly he hasnt taken us as far as he can as we are currently 8th.

I certainly dont believe Wolves or Brentford have anymore quality than us.

haha - I said IF we get promoted this year only in order to prevent comments from the blue tinted spectacle brigade that I was being pessimistic: personally I do not think we will make play-offs.
Cannot agree with you that Wolves and Brentford do not have more quality than us. Of course I have only watched them play live in their games against us, and also the live tv games they have been in, but it seems to me that we play a good deal more hoofball than them. And the only reason to play hoofball is if you do not have the quality to move the ball up through defence to midfield to attack.

[Frosty]

Rossi, Marko is our resident 'Smiley Face' and trust me when I say it's just in jest ..............


We will obviously have to sedate him again mate


cheers Dave

[Bluemike]

haha - I said IF we get promoted this year only in order to prevent comments from the blue tinted spectacle brigade that I was being pessimistic: personally I do not think we will make play-offs.
Cannot agree with you that Wolves and Brentford do not have more quality than us. Of course I have only watched them play live in their games against us, and also the live tv games they have been in, but it seems to me that we play a good deal more hoofball than them. And the only reason to play hoofball is if you do not have the quality to move the ball up through defence to midfield to attack.

Rossi, From the games you see do you honestly think our hoofball is OTT ? I accept at the start of the season it got a bit tedious but to be honest I don't see an afwul lot of it now and I do get to see most games, I feel it is a tag we have been saddled with and one that will probably never go away.

[hallamblue]

Its interesting that MM in his recent comments on promotion and Fulham connection, cites Derby as the potential fall guys in the race for the POs!

[marko69]

Rossi, allow me a few more seconds of "puerile prattle"....... Can I call you Rawwwwssi by the way? My post was merely predicting that others on this site would remind you that Wigan and Fulham have been poor with their EPL payments. I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU.
Apologies to you if you read that and thought I was taking the p1$$. For the record, if I thought you were talking Shyte, I'd tell you. Just like you told me, with your post.

The preachers voice? Well I had watched "Fletch Lives" earlier and was feeling all "hallelujah Rawwwwsi, praise The Lord dear boy!"

Anyway, I'm off to the "jump for Jesus trampoline centre" before the football starts.
Take care y'all, y'here!

[Frosty]

'Jump for Jesus trampoline centre'


Priceless

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

haha - I said IF we get promoted this year only in order to prevent comments from the blue tinted spectacle brigade that I was being pessimistic: personally I do not think we will make play-offs.
Cannot agree with you that Wolves and Brentford do not have more quality than us. Of course I have only watched them play live in their games against us, and also the live tv games they have been in, but it seems to me that we play a good deal more hoofball than them. And the only reason to play hoofball is if you do not have the quality to move the ball up through defence to midfield to attack.

Rossi, From the games you see do you honestly think our hoofball is OTT ? I accept at the start of the season it got a bit tedious but to be honest I don't see an afwul lot of it now and I do get to see most games, I feel it is a tag we have been saddled with and one that will probably never go away.

Mike - I spend quite a lot of my time lately travelling to and from Philippines, and therefore some seasons I do not get to see that many games. But this season, the only games I have missed were in December. I've seen most of the other games, home and away. So in answer to your question, yes I do think we play an awful lot of hoof ball. I sometimes wonder why we play 4-2-2- or 4-3-3, I often think that 6-0-4 would be more appropriate for the way we play. Of course I don't see much of the teams around us, but from what I have seen I can honestly say - hand on heart - that their style is far more attractive than ours.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Rossi, allow me a few more seconds of "puerile prattle"....... Can I call you Rawwwwssi by the way? My post was merely predicting that others on this site would remind you that Wigan and Fulham have been poor with their EPL payments. I WAS AGREEING WITH YOU.
Apologies to you if you read that and thought I was taking the p1$$. For the record, if I thought you were talking Shyte, I'd tell you. Just like you told me, with your post.

The preachers voice? Well I had watched "Fletch Lives" earlier and was feeling all "hallelujah Rawwwwsi, praise The Lord dear boy!"

Anyway, I'm off to the "jump for Jesus trampoline centre" before the football starts.
Take care y'all, y'here!

Marko - no problems. Yeah, I did think that you was taking the p*ss - that may well be because I had consumed copious amounts of vintage port when I read it. If you say that you were not taking the p*ss - well, that's good enough for me. Incidentally, it was not the Rawwwwwsi bit that I reacted to, it was more to do with my Catholic faith. Cheers