Are final positions relevant in neighborhood disputes

[arana peligrosa]

Maybe it's nothing but for sure there are some who have a healthy animosity for them : but in short, how do you feel about Norwich City finishing ahead of us in the league this season. Take away the chance of a play-off meeting, I mean right now (as they can't be caught) and the league table alone. This does (this year alone) qualify them as 'Pride of Anglia'

Years ago I would have made more of it but now, there's a slight feeling of distaste but to be honest they have done well and think third or fourth place if they make it, won't be a false position.

Say again while there is a small measure of loathing - it's certainly not envy - that they will finish above us, especially as it's been the best season in 10 years at Portman Road regards the league and we have achieved so much - I don't really care too much for it. Point being I feel there's maybe some who would make a bigger deal of it or feel some outrage so to speak. Even if we did play in the top six meetings in a week or two it would not alter final league positions.

[JonnoTown]

For me it means nothing.

If they beat us in the play offs they would have bragging rights.

If you'd have said to me before the season started we'll finish a few points behind Norwich, I'd have taken it because I'd expect to come 2nd or 3rd.

They have Premiership quality.

And 6 fingers...

[Bluemike]

With the squad and resources at their disposal it is them that have failed miserably and should be ashamed at only being a 3 or 4 points ahead of little old Ipswich, and had the ref not f****d up in the game at PR against them it would be virtually level.

[barmy billy]

For a start, I much prefer the term 'Local Derby' to neighbourhood disputes. I am all for friendly rivalry, but dislike intensely the rancour, bitterness and envy that exists among some on this forum. Norwich have the benefit of parachute payments etc, but they got off to a pretty dodgy start to the season and wisely changed their manager, who seems to have made a decent job of what was for him a big move

It goes without saying that I would prefer ITFC to finish higher than them no matter where that is in the Division, but when it comes to a local derby (let alone a play-off local derby) I think everything that has gone before goes out of the window and we start on a level playing field. If however we are rated as underdogs, that suits me fine as I am certain we will triumph.

[herforder]

Not sure about the real depth of deep-seated animosity/dislike between two sets of supporters. True, there exists a long-standing rivalry, with no opportunity lost to claim bragging rights either way; occasionally this may may be taken further by a small minority, but it's often fuelled or exaggerated by the media. In any event there's an inter-county rivalry bubbling away that's greater than soccer supremacy.

A pragmatist would probably say that, in the wider scheme of things, it's good for the region to have 2 successful teams vying to be top dog. For me, this isn't defined by one match, or one season's performance. We have an enviable reputation across continents, and a history that can't be argued about. When you stack it all up, our northern cousins may enjoy their moment in the sun, but folk won't be talking about it in 50 years' time!

[hallamblue]

Frankly I couldn't give a stuff where they have finished. All I know is Town's management have worked wonders this and last season in what is a constructed inequitable playing field.

I know which has Club has faired/performed best ( and are therefore the Pride of Anglia) when the level of spending is taken into consideration, and they aren't wearing a faggoty yella n green shirt!

[arana peligrosa]

Just for the record the last time Ipswich finished in a higher position was back in 2009 and that was a third successive year achievement. At least they've been out of the league in recent years by way of a promotion while we have been stuck in this damn division at the same time, even if it was a stay in the premier league of no more than one season.

Was looking at some old stats and of particular interest was the 2003 - 04 season when Royle had assembled a fine team with players of merit such as Darren Bent, Tom Miller and Counago and while losing an eventual play-off chance it was surprising (if not disappointing) to see the other top of the league as Champions, and 20 points ahead. Damn it, they must have put together a decent team at the time.

We always talk about the honors lists that can never be altered (winning a second or third division league is not a main event prize or in so many other words can't compare to an FA Cup or First Division title victory) but in recent years as far as outside the EPL is concerned they clearly have had the upper hand. Suppose in a way, hard as it is, trying to allow them a little credit or recognition for some of those achievements.

[Ohiotractorboy]

Strangely, I don't have a natural hatred for the budgies. Be that as it may, I have learned to dislike them intently. You all are doing well grasshoppers!

Agree with manning jude, credit where credit is due. They have played very well the past couple of years. Will make it that much sweeter to beat their as**s in the playoffs.

I still believe the seven toes on their feet is an unfair disadvantage, but I am not going to contact the league over it.

[marko69]

I firmly believe hatred levels definitely depends on location. Cannot speak for Ipswich or Norwich fans but I did stay in Dunfermline many years ago and their "local" derby was Raith Rovers from Kirkcaldy. The bitterness just didn't quite run deep. I am in no way dumbing down the levels of hatred that Ipswich based ITFC fans have for Norwich........., but try actually sharing a city with the c*nts.

[Ohiotractorboy]

I firmly believe hatred levels definitely depends on location. Cannot speak for Ipswich or Norwich fans but I did stay in Dunfermline many years ago and their "local" derby was Raith Rovers from Kirkcaldy. The bitterness just didn't quite run deep. I am in no way dumbing down the levels of hatred that Ipswich based ITFC fans have for Norwich........., but try actually sharing a city with the c*nts.

Your understanding is exemplary marko! You are correct, it is definitely based on geography. I am sure no one else on this forum hates those turds from Meechigan like I do.

However, like all hate, it is learned. You all just don't seem to be picking up the gist of the Michigan thing as quickly as I would like

[marko69]

I firmly believe hatred levels definitely depends on location. Cannot speak for Ipswich or Norwich fans but I did stay in Dunfermline many years ago and their "local" derby was Raith Rovers from Kirkcaldy. The bitterness just didn't quite run deep. I am in no way dumbing down the levels of hatred that Ipswich based ITFC fans have for Norwich........., but try actually sharing a city with the c*nts.

Your understanding is exemplary marko! You are correct, it is definitely based on geography. I am sure no one else on this forum hates those turds from Meechigan like I do.

However, like all hate, it is learned. You all just don't seem to be picking up the gist of the Michigan thing as quickly as I would like

HA! Nice one.

Seriously though, you wont see that many MSU or UofM shirts walking around Columbus do you?

Try walking along Princes Street in Edinburgh without seeing a jambofucker. Its impossible. The fkrs are everywhere.

[Bluemike]

Just for the record, of the 15 seasons that have been completed in the last 15 years since 2000 we have in fact finished ahead of them in the footballing pyramid 8 times to their 7 so I don't even get that they are having their "time in the sun" crap over us really.

[Shed on tour]

Not sure about the real depth of deep-seated animosity/dislike between two sets of supporters. True, there exists a long-standing rivalry, with no opportunity lost to claim bragging rights either way; occasionally this may may be taken further by a small minority, but it's often fuelled or exaggerated by the media. In any event there's an inter-county rivalry bubbling away that's greater than soccer supremacy.

A pragmatist would probably say that, in the wider scheme of things, it's good for the region to have 2 successful teams vying to be top dog. For me, this isn't defined by one match, or one season's performance. We have an enviable reputation across continents, and a history that can't be argued about. When you stack it all up, our northern cousins may enjoy their moment in the sun, but folk won't be talking about it in 50 years' time!

herforder
Totally agree as long as it's Ipswich and Ipswich Reserves.

[herforder]

Not sure about the real depth of deep-seated animosity/dislike between two sets of supporters. True, there exists a long-standing rivalry, with no opportunity lost to claim bragging rights either way; occasionally this may may be taken further by a small minority, but it's often fuelled or exaggerated by the media. In any event there's an inter-county rivalry bubbling away that's greater than soccer supremacy.

A pragmatist would probably say that, in the wider scheme of things, it's good for the region to have 2 successful teams vying to be top dog. For me, this isn't defined by one match, or one season's performance. We have an enviable reputation across continents, and a history that can't be argued about. When you stack it all up, our northern cousins may enjoy their moment in the sun, but folk won't be talking about it in 50 years' time!

herforder
Totally agree as long as it's Ipswich and Ipswich Reserves.

[herforder]

Not sure about the real depth of deep-seated animosity/dislike between two sets of supporters. True, there exists a long-standing rivalry, with no opportunity lost to claim bragging rights either way; occasionally this may may be taken further by a small minority, but it's often fuelled or exaggerated by the media. In any event there's an inter-county rivalry bubbling away that's greater than soccer supremacy.

A pragmatist would probably say that, in the wider scheme of things, it's good for the region to have 2 successful teams vying to be top dog. For me, this isn't defined by one match, or one season's performance. We have an enviable reputation across continents, and a history that can't be argued about. When you stack it all up, our northern cousins may enjoy their moment in the sun, but folk won't be talking about it in 50 years' time!

herforder
Totally agree as long as it's Ipswich and Ipswich Reserves.

[Ohiotractorboy]

I firmly believe hatred levels definitely depends on location. Cannot speak for Ipswich or Norwich fans but I did stay in Dunfermline many years ago and their "local" derby was Raith Rovers from Kirkcaldy. The bitterness just didn't quite run deep. I am in no way dumbing down the levels of hatred that Ipswich based ITFC fans have for Norwich........., but try actually sharing a city with the c*nts.

Your understanding is exemplary marko! You are correct, it is definitely based on geography. I am sure no one else on this forum hates those turds from Meechigan like I do.

However, like all hate, it is learned. You all just don't seem to be picking up the gist of the Michigan thing as quickly as I would like

HA! Nice one.

Seriously though, you wont see that many MSU or UofM shirts walking around Columbus do you?

Try walking along Princes Street in Edinburgh without seeing a jambofucker. Its impossible. The fkrs are everywhere.

MSU shirts (there are very few) don't set us off too bad. We don't like them, but they aren't our arch enemies.
Michigan shirts are seen as someone trying to start trouble. They are glared at and the smart ones don't say anything.

[arana peligrosa]

Tried to quote the above but it wouldn't allow

In any event : As someone born and raised in Minneapolis we don't have the same sporting rivalry as some other states but teams from Wisconsin and (perhaps) Illinois would be foremost for rivals. Used to have a better interest in NFL affairs for instance but it's not the level of enthusiasm as before. The same applies to English football.

As an often follower of scots soccer it was worth mentioning that Heart of Midlothian have themselves a runaway championship win in their respective league this year, way ahead of Glasgow Rangers and even Hibernian. One participant we know will take a greater issue than most but so long as Rangers are kept out of the SPL for another season then it will be good enough.

One other thing and while we're at it, have to mention back in 2005 and as a once regular follower of Everton we had a marvellous season and finished in fourth place with the b*stard creation of Liverpool Football Club one place behind if memory serves. It made the achievement all the better but then a week or two later it was soured by the latter having a 'win' in the European Cup Final in Istanbul - even if their goalkeeper had one foot in Bulgaria in the eventual penalty shootout.

Point being, final placings are interesting for sure, but there's often more to it than just final league positions alone.

[number 9]

f*ck those yellow bastards!

[marko69]

I think they are all doing that to each other, 9.