FAO BlueMike

[AylesburyBlue]

What is it with the witch hunt? D**ick as The Don rightly says (but more politely) you are a hypocrite, you call BlueMike opinionated and criticise this, yet you praise Rossi for 'saying it like it is'. You really should have thought about your response more.

Secondly we don't need BlueMike back to know what his response will be its bloody obvious it will be along the lines - I can not defend how we defended as a team that night, it was awful. However his point remains. You can not base an opinion on our defence based on pre season, that is just someone looking to moan. However THERE ARE NO EXCUSES for Brighton and Reading. It simply isn't good enough. Super Mick McCarthy will know that.

It's a running joke with some of my friends over the years (as I don't currently live in Ipswich they all support different teams) that Town have the most strange mixture of fans. What they mean is some would die for the club, others (some in this very chat) can't wait to moan and be a boo boy. No I don't mean we should t criticise but it has to fair. Like after this Reading game, BUT NOT after a play off achieving season NOR pre season.

I'm also disappointed with moderators for letting this thread going ahead. The title of it makes it personal. I feel you are obliged to allow his response to be as colourful as he wants as your putting him in a unfair position.

[barmy billy]

There's an awful lot of utter shyte (frankly), being spoken about a person (a die hard Town fan like many of you), who NONE of you know personally. Yet you all seem to think you know him sufficiently to slate him off publically when he's not here to respond to your comments.

Trust me, some of the comments levied at him on this thread couldnt be further from the truth and some of you have been very unjust in this character assassination.

Please don't tar us all with the same brush, Hallam. I for one respect and value Mike's knowlege and contribution to this forum and value his opinions much more than certain other contributors.

[hallamblue]

Apologies BB. But I just thought those individuals who made the comments would know I meant them. I should have been more specifc. Sorry.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

There's an awful lot of utter shyte (frankly), being spoken about a person (a die hard Town fan like many of you), who NONE of you know personally. Yet you all seem to think you know him sufficiently to slate him off publically when he's not here to respond to your comments.

Trust me, some of the comments levied at him on this thread couldnt be further from the truth and some of you have been very unjust in this character assassination.

I havn't met Mike, and it's true to say that we disagree on a lot of things on this board - I find he looks at things from blue-tinted spectacles and I'm sure he thinks that I am too quick to criticise - but at the end of the day we are both die-hard Town supporters who want the best for our club and our team and I respect his opinions just as much as I'm sure he respects mine.

When I made this post, I didn't know he was away and I directed the title to him as it followed right on from a conversation on this board in which he disagreed vehemently with an opinion I stated that we were shipping too many goals. It was in no way intended to be a spiteful catalyst.

Having said all that, I stand by what I said about our defence being abjectly awful.

[hallamblue]

There's an awful lot of utter shyte (frankly), being spoken about a person (a die hard Town fan like many of you), who NONE of you know personally. Yet you all seem to think you know him sufficiently to slate him off publically when he's not here to respond to your comments.

Trust me, some of the comments levied at him on this thread couldnt be further from the truth and some of you have been very unjust in this character assassination.

I havn't met Mike, and it's true to say that we disagree on a lot of things on this board - I find he looks at things from blue-tinted spectacles and I'm sure he thinks that I am too quick to criticise - but at the end of the day we are both die-hard Town supporters who want the best for our club and our team and I respect his opinions just as much as I'm sure he respects mine.

When I made this post, I didn't know he was away and I directed the title to him as it followed right on from a conversation on this board in which he disagreed vehemently with an opinion I stated that we were shipping too many goals. It was in no way intended to be a spiteful catalyst.

Having said all that, I stand by what I said about our defence being abjectly awful.

Fair doos rossi.

Mike is back in the UK Weds I think. Im sure he will give his usual measured response.

[derick_ipsw]

What is it with the witch hunt? D**ick as The Don rightly says (but more politely) you are a hypocrite, you call BlueMike opinionated and criticise this, yet you praise Rossi for 'saying it like it is'. You really should have thought about your response more.

Secondly we don't need BlueMike back to know what his response will be its bloody obvious it will be along the lines - I can not defend how we defended as a team that night, it was awful. However his point remains. You can not base an opinion on our defence based on pre season, that is just someone looking to moan. However THERE ARE NO EXCUSES for Brighton and Reading. It simply isn't good enough. Super Mick McCarthy will know that.

It's a running joke with some of my friends over the years (as I don't currently live in Ipswich they all support different teams) that Town have the most strange mixture of fans. What they mean is some would die for the club, others (some in this very chat) can't wait to moan and be a boo boy. No I don't mean we should t criticise but it has to fair. Like after this Reading game, BUT NOT after a play off achieving season



I'm also disappointed with moderators for letting this thread going ahead. The title of it makes it personal. I feel you are obliged to allow his response to be as colourful as he wants as your putting him in a unfair position.

Sorry, if you have not quite caught on to this tongue in cheek thread. When BLUEMIKE reads this he will laugh, then give us all a good rollicking.

[AylesburyBlue]

What is it with the witch hunt? D**ick as The Don rightly says (but more politely) you are a hypocrite, you call BlueMike opinionated and criticise this, yet you praise Rossi for 'saying it like it is'. You really should have thought about your response more.

Secondly we don't need BlueMike back to know what his response will be its bloody obvious it will be along the lines - I can not defend how we defended as a team that night, it was awful. However his point remains. You can not base an opinion on our defence based on pre season, that is just someone looking to moan. However THERE ARE NO EXCUSES for Brighton and Reading. It simply isn't good enough. Super Mick McCarthy will know that.

It's a running joke with some of my friends over the years (as I don't currently live in Ipswich they all support different teams) that Town have the most strange mixture of fans. What they mean is some would die for the club, others (some in this very chat) can't wait to moan and be a boo boy. No I don't mean we should t criticise but it has to fair. Like after this Reading game, BUT NOT after a play off achieving season



I'm also disappointed with moderators for letting this thread going ahead. The title of it makes it personal. I feel you are obliged to allow his response to be as colourful as he wants as your putting him in a unfair position.

Sorry, if you have not quite caught on to this tongue in cheek thread. When BLUEMIKE reads this he will laugh, then give us all a good rollicking.

You can try and mask it in humour but there is clearly an underlying 'dig' (to put it mild). We can agree to disagree on the intentions of some of the people posting on this thread.

[derick_ipsw]

What is it with the witch hunt? D**ick as The Don rightly says (but more politely) you are a hypocrite, you call BlueMike opinionated and criticise this, yet you praise Rossi for 'saying it like it is'. You really should have thought about your response more.

Secondly we don't need BlueMike back to know what his response will be its bloody obvious it will be along the lines - I can not defend how we defended as a team that night, it was awful. However his point remains. You can not base an opinion on our defence based on pre season, that is just someone looking to moan. However THERE ARE NO EXCUSES for Brighton and Reading. It simply isn't good enough. Super Mick McCarthy will know that.

It's a running joke with some of my friends over the years (as I don't currently live in Ipswich they all support different teams) that Town have the most strange mixture of fans. What they mean is some would die for the club, others (some in this very chat) can't wait to moan and be a boo boy. No I don't mean we should t criticise but it has to fair. Like after this Reading game, BUT NOT after a play off achieving season



I'm also disappointed with moderators for letting this thread going ahead. The title of it makes it personal. I feel you are obliged to allow his response to be as colourful as he wants as your putting him in a unfair position.

Sorry, if you have not quite caught on to this tongue in cheek thread. When BLUEMIKE reads this he will laugh, then give us all a good rollicking.

You can try and mask it in humour but there is clearly an underlying 'dig' (to put it mild). We can agree to disagree on the intentions of some of the people posting on this thread.

Name and shame!!

[derick_ipsw]

Dear God, hallam, calm yerself down , dawling. Have you read the thread? There is no character assassinations going on. It's all tongue in cheek banter and I'm confident that YOU KNOW, that Bluemike will see it similarly.

I think the fact we got so heavily beaten on Friday, may of affected 1 or 2 on the sense of humour front. Be afraid be very afraid!!

[The Don]

Even as the "hitler" of the forum, I didn't read too much into it.

Rossi wished to address Mike and put his point across. Mike will without doubt counter argue it when back (although I'll be impressed if he can defend anything from Friday) and that's about it.

I guess I read the other responses as they were merited. Just in jest. Once again a lack of smilies has buggered it up.

I've had the fortune to meet mike but not Rossi. As Rossi said both passionate but at different ends of the opinion scale. Nothing wrong with that.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Even as the "hitler" of the forum, I didn't read too much into it.

Rossi wished to address Mike and put his point across. Mike will without doubt counter argue it when back (although I'll be impressed if he can defend anything from Friday) and that's about it.

I guess I read the other responses as they were merited. Just in jest. Once again a lack of smilies has buggered it up.

I've had the fortune to meet mike but not Rossi. As Rossi said both passionate but at different ends of the opinion scale. Nothing wrong with that.

And that should be the end of it - by far the most sensible comments I have read on this board for ages

[Earl Blue]

Even as the "hitler" of the forum, I didn't read too much into it.

Rossi wished to address Mike and put his point across. Mike will without doubt counter argue it when back (although I'll be impressed if he can defend anything from Friday) and that's about it.

I guess I read the other responses as they were merited. Just in jest. Once again a lack of smilies has buggered it up.

I've had the fortune to meet mike but not Rossi. As Rossi said both passionate but at different ends of the opinion scale. Nothing wrong with that.

And that should be the end of it - by far the most sensible comments I have read on this board for ages

I second that Rossi.. Well said 'The Don'

[Bluemike]

Well well well, I go away for a few days and return to see I have somehow gained celeberity status while some of the rats have wandered out of their lairs at the first sign of a bad Town result, hardly a surprise but still disappointing none the less. I suppose as i have been targeted for my thoughts I should do the decent thing and respond in kind.

Lest start with the Reading game, the Two hours I spent in the English bar watching this utter dross was the low point of my holiday and I seriously wish to god that I hadn't bothered and that is no joke, it was embarrassing to say the least, the defending was just so bad it was hard to believe, there was not one defensive player who could possibly come out of the game with any credit at all, in fact there wasn't a Town player who could come out of it with any credit.

For me Knudsen struggled big time and looked out of his depth at times, while the other Three looked as though they had never played together, Gerken too was all at sea for the first Two goals, not blaming him for them but he didnt cover himself in any glory either, the Third beggars belief, total hash up by Skuse & Gerks which you would not see watching park football. I can't even remember the Fourth and the Fifth was a blinder. All in all it was a total sham, too many players had a bad day at the office, I cannot believe it got to the 43rd minute before I even saw Pitman on the pitch, too many things wrong to pinpoint exactly what was the major cause. Lets not forget how damn good the movement of Reading's forward players were but even so we made it too easy for them. I always try to at least take one positive from every game and as you asked Don I suppose I have to say that as sh*te as we were had we been given the stonewall penalty at 3-1 when Didsy was elbowed in the head you just never know, typically they go up the other end and make it Four straight away, it was however no more than Reading deserved but it was one of Two pens we should most certainly have had.

Moving on to the original question that opened the thread, Rossi I remember only too well our disagreement a couple of weeks back that we were shipping too many goals and of course it is so easy to open up the debate after seeing us concede Five in such shambolic fashion, at the time of the original debate I did not think we were shipping too many goals no, for 94 minutes at Brentford we defended superbly and with a kid at RB and no Berra too, we then conceded 2 goals in 3 League games against Wednesday, Burnley and Preston winning all Three, still at no time had you made any reference to shipping goals, lo and behold we conceded Three to the current runaway leaders of the Championship (Brighton) and out comes the negative spin on things, and all this with Town sitting 3rd and having a manager and player nominated for monthly awards, I guess that isn't good enough for some though, it is only acceptable had we won all 5 of the opening league games I do accept we conceded far too many goals at Reading, nobody can argue that, BUT, all teams have bad days, hopefully that was ours.

It is the measure of a good team how well you bounce back and travelling back from Spain last night I was overjoyed to hear that we had bounced back superbly well in claiming a deserved win at Leeds while keeping a clean sheet with the self same back Four that you wanted dropping, and all this against a Leeds team who hadn't lost and who had won at Derby and drawn at Reading, I expect you must feel a bit of a lemon today after last nights excellent result, if you don't then you sure as hell should. You mention on another thread that you won't get carried away by last nights win and yet you got oh so carried away at our drubbing at Reading, a little bit inconsistent in my eyes. I did raise a smile at the " I know what I am talking about" comment, Really ? For 46 games last season you pretty much got it wrong because for all of that time you were convinced that we didn't have enough about us to make the play off's. wrong or what ? Then to compound it once we got there you were pretty much the most confident in that we would turn Norwich over and make Wembley, wrong again, I suggest you go watch a load more football before you proclaim to know what you are talking about.

I really didnt want to comment on the childish "godfather" thing but it would be rude surely ? I suppose a forum is much like a sleepy village, every one has a village idiot and we have Derick. We all have differing opinions, I can live with that, but if anyone really wants to make it personal then come find me at a game, I don't hide, I have met many on here unlike some, come put your opinions across face to face, let's have it out, I have no issue with that at all.

Anyway I am bored and dog tired now so will leave it at that, suffice to say we are Fifth and looking good with Two winnable home games coming up, things really are bad, if we don't win them both then we go again but lets drop all the knee jerk cobblers and get a bit of consistency in our reactions after games, some need to creep out of their dark holes when things are going well too, trust me it really is enjoyable, the secret is in the word "supporters" thick and thin and all that, not just when everything is rosy, we aren't Man City fans.

So was my reply good enough ? Is it all tongue in cheek ? Who knows....You decide... to evict Derick ring 666 666 666.....to evict Rossi ring 1-5 1-5 1-5... calls cost as much as Marcus Evans has spent on the squad....f*ck All.

[lucy]

Great response Mike, nice to have you back mate

[barmy billy]

Well well well, I go away for a few days and return to see I have somehow gained celeberity status while some of the rats have wandered out of their lairs at the first sign of a bad Town result, hardly a surprise but still disappointing none the less. I suppose as i have been targeted for my thoughts I should do the decent thing and respond in kind.

Lest start with the Reading game, the Two hours I spent in the English bar watching this utter dross was the low point of my holiday and I seriously wish to god that I hadn't bothered and that is no joke, it was embarrassing to say the least, the defending was just so bad it was hard to believe, there was not one defensive player who could possibly come out of the game with any credit at all, in fact there wasn't a Town player who could come out of it with any credit.

For me Knudsen struggled big time and looked out of his depth at times, while the other Three looked as though they had never played together, Gerken too was all at sea for the first Two goals, not blaming him for them but he didnt cover himself in any glory either, the Third beggars belief, total hash up by Skuse & Gerks which you would not see watching park football. I can't even remember the Fourth and the Fifth was a blinder. All in all it was a total sham, too many players had a bad day at the office, I cannot believe it got to the 43rd minute before I even saw Pitman on the pitch, too many things wrong to pinpoint exactly what was the major cause. Lets not forget how damn good the movement of Reading's forward players were but even so we made it too easy for them. I always try to at least take one positive from every game and as you asked Don I suppose I have to say that as sh*te as we were had we been given the stonewall penalty at 3-1 when Didsy was elbowed in the head you just never know, typically they go up the other end and make it Four straight away, it was however no more than Reading deserved but it was one of Two pens we should most certainly have had.

Moving on to the original question that opened the thread, Rossi I remember only too well our disagreement a couple of weeks back that we were shipping too many goals and of course it is so easy to open up the debate after seeing us concede Five in such shambolic fashion, at the time of the original debate I did not think we were shipping too many goals no, for 94 minutes at Brentford we defended superbly and with a kid at RB and no Berra too, we then conceded 2 goals in 3 League games against Wednesday, Burnley and Preston winning all Three, still at no time had you made any reference to shipping goals, lo and behold we conceded Three to the current runaway leaders of the Championship (Brighton) and out comes the negative spin on things, and all this with Town sitting 3rd and having a manager and player nominated for monthly awards, I guess that isn't good enough for some though, it is only acceptable had we won all 5 of the opening league games I do accept we conceded far too many goals at Reading, nobody can argue that, BUT, all teams have bad days, hopefully that was ours.

It is the measure of a good team how well you bounce back and travelling back from Spain last night I was overjoyed to hear that we had bounced back superbly well in claiming a deserved win at Leeds while keeping a clean sheet with the self same back Four that you wanted dropping, and all this against a Leeds team who hadn't lost and who had won at Derby and drawn at Reading, I expect you must feel a bit of a lemon today after last nights excellent result, if you don't then you sure as hell should. You mention on another thread that you won't get carried away by last nights win and yet you got oh so carried away at our drubbing at Reading, a little bit inconsistent in my eyes. I did raise a smile at the " I know what I am talking about" comment, Really ? For 46 games last season you pretty much got it wrong because for all of that time you were convinced that we didn't have enough about us to make the play off's. wrong or what ? Then to compound it once we got there you were pretty much the most confident in that we would turn Norwich over and make Wembley, wrong again, I suggest you go watch a load more football before you proclaim to know what you are talking about.

I really didnt want to comment on the childish "godfather" thing but it would be rude surely ? I suppose a forum is much like a sleepy village, every one has a village idiot and we have Derick. We all have differing opinions, I can live with that, but if anyone really wants to make it personal then come find me at a game, I don't hide, I have met many on here unlike some, come put your opinions across face to face, let's have it out, I have no issue with that at all.

Anyway I am bored and dog tired now so will leave it at that, suffice to say we are Fifth and looking good with Two winnable home games coming up, things really are bad, if we don't win them both then we go again but lets drop all the knee jerk cobblers and get a bit of consistency in our reactions after games, some need to creep out of their dark holes when things are going well too, trust me it really is enjoyable, the secret is in the word "supporters" thick and thin and all that, not just when everything is rosy, we aren't Man City fans.

So was my reply good enough ? Is it all tongue in cheek ? Who knows....You decide... to evict Derick ring 666 666 666.....to evict Rossi ring 1-5 1-5 1-5... calls cost as much as Marcus Evans has spent on the squad....f*ck All.

Excellent response Mike.

Can I vote for both and we have a double eviction?

[derick_ipsw]

Sorry it has taken me so long to respond but I have only just stopped laughing. My next game is Man U next Wednesday. If you would like to meet up let me know. I will gladly have a toe to toe one to one with you!! Still laughing.

[hallamblue]

Lol. Missed yer Mike. Suspect you wont get too much sleep with that bloody horse's head on the pillow next to ya!

[hallamblue]

C'mon guys can we not put this behind us now. There's so much thats good about this squad and i honestly think we might off promotion this year. Lets focus on the football now.

[Bluemike]

Put what behind us ? Tongue in cheek aint it ? LOL.

[derick_ipsw]

Put what behind us ? Tongue in cheek aint it ? LOL.

I am still laughing at you that's for sure.

[Bluemike]

Put what behind us ? Tongue in cheek aint it ? LOL.

I am still laughing at you that's for sure.

Good, now you know how I feel.

[Frosty]

C'mon guys can we not put this behind us now. There's so much thats good about this squad and i honestly think we might off promotion this year. Lets focus on the football now.

No we can't Liz .... I am right behind this targeted campaign against Mike as I am still bitter about him winning the Prediction League last season.

[Bluemike]

I'm glad you've admitted its a targeted campaign, bring it on.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Well well well, I go away for a few days and return to see I have somehow gained celeberity status while some of the rats have wandered out of their lairs at the first sign of a bad Town result, hardly a surprise but still disappointing none the less. I suppose as i have been targeted for my thoughts I should do the decent thing and respond in kind.

Lest start with the Reading game, the Two hours I spent in the English bar watching this utter dross was the low point of my holiday and I seriously wish to god that I hadn't bothered and that is no joke, it was embarrassing to say the least, the defending was just so bad it was hard to believe, there was not one defensive player who could possibly come out of the game with any credit at all, in fact there wasn't a Town player who could come out of it with any credit.

For me Knudsen struggled big time and looked out of his depth at times, while the other Three looked as though they had never played together, Gerken too was all at sea for the first Two goals, not blaming him for them but he didnt cover himself in any glory either, the Third beggars belief, total hash up by Skuse & Gerks which you would not see watching park football. I can't even remember the Fourth and the Fifth was a blinder. All in all it was a total sham, too many players had a bad day at the office, I cannot believe it got to the 43rd minute before I even saw Pitman on the pitch, too many things wrong to pinpoint exactly what was the major cause. Lets not forget how damn good the movement of Reading's forward players were but even so we made it too easy for them. I always try to at least take one positive from every game and as you asked Don I suppose I have to say that as sh*te as we were had we been given the stonewall penalty at 3-1 when Didsy was elbowed in the head you just never know, typically they go up the other end and make it Four straight away, it was however no more than Reading deserved but it was one of Two pens we should most certainly have had.

Moving on to the original question that opened the thread, Rossi I remember only too well our disagreement a couple of weeks back that we were shipping too many goals and of course it is so easy to open up the debate after seeing us concede Five in such shambolic fashion, at the time of the original debate I did not think we were shipping too many goals no, for 94 minutes at Brentford we defended superbly and with a kid at RB and no Berra too, we then conceded 2 goals in 3 League games against Wednesday, Burnley and Preston winning all Three, still at no time had you made any reference to shipping goals, lo and behold we conceded Three to the current runaway leaders of the Championship (Brighton) and out comes the negative spin on things, and all this with Town sitting 3rd and having a manager and player nominated for monthly awards, I guess that isn't good enough for some though, it is only acceptable had we won all 5 of the opening league games I do accept we conceded far too many goals at Reading, nobody can argue that, BUT, all teams have bad days, hopefully that was ours.

It is the measure of a good team how well you bounce back and travelling back from Spain last night I was overjoyed to hear that we had bounced back superbly well in claiming a deserved win at Leeds while keeping a clean sheet with the self same back Four that you wanted dropping, and all this against a Leeds team who hadn't lost and who had won at Derby and drawn at Reading, I expect you must feel a bit of a lemon today after last nights excellent result, if you don't then you sure as hell should. You mention on another thread that you won't get carried away by last nights win and yet you got oh so carried away at our drubbing at Reading, a little bit inconsistent in my eyes. I did raise a smile at the " I know what I am talking about" comment, Really ? For 46 games last season you pretty much got it wrong because for all of that time you were convinced that we didn't have enough about us to make the play off's. wrong or what ? Then to compound it once we got there you were pretty much the most confident in that we would turn Norwich over and make Wembley, wrong again, I suggest you go watch a load more football before you proclaim to know what you are talking about.

I really didnt want to comment on the childish "godfather" thing but it would be rude surely ? I suppose a forum is much like a sleepy village, every one has a village idiot and we have Derick. We all have differing opinions, I can live with that, but if anyone really wants to make it personal then come find me at a game, I don't hide, I have met many on here unlike some, come put your opinions across face to face, let's have it out, I have no issue with that at all.

Anyway I am bored and dog tired now so will leave it at that, suffice to say we are Fifth and looking good with Two winnable home games coming up, things really are bad, if we don't win them both then we go again but lets drop all the knee jerk cobblers and get a bit of consistency in our reactions after games, some need to creep out of their dark holes when things are going well too, trust me it really is enjoyable, the secret is in the word "supporters" thick and thin and all that, not just when everything is rosy, we aren't Man City fans.

So was my reply good enough ? Is it all tongue in cheek ? Who knows....You decide... to evict Derick ring 666 666 666.....to evict Rossi ring 1-5 1-5 1-5... calls cost as much as Marcus Evans has spent on the squad....f*ck All.

Well thanks for the response Mike .
Actually I do not feel like a lemon at all - no reason why I should either, for as much as you can accuse me of a negative reaction after a single 5-1 defeat I can accuse you of a positive reaction after a single 1-0 win.
Maybe I was wrong about a lot of things last season, but one thing is for sure, if we hadn't have conceded so many goals we would not have had to worry about play-offs because we would have gone up automatically. I do not think for one moment that I was the only poster on here to get things wrong though - I remember one person telling everybody quite authoritatively that DM would never pull on a Town shirt again, but his name escapes me at the moment...............
And I still can't see much to be positive about a defence that has so far this season conceded the third highest total in the division to date, but if you can then that's up to you.
It's funny, I stopped using this board 3 or 4 years ago and only returned in the middle of last season. I stopped using it because I was fed up with the clique factor and because of the majority coming down hard on the minority who said things as they saw things (which was usually negatively) and did not subscribe to the majority feeling of blind optimism. It didn't make them any less of a supporter then, and it sure doesn't now.
No wonder then, that this board has nowhere near the number of active posters that it had 10 years ago - I wonder what has driven them all away?
It will not drive me away though - I still have enough faith and belief in my opinions to stand by them and I don't care if anybody agrees with me or not.
But I certainly won't be as generous with my opinions in the future - I'm not sure this board deserves them

[Bluemike]

Rossi, firstly I have absolutely no issue with your take on things and your opinions are as justified as mine or anybody elses for that matter, in fact I enjoy reading your thoughts along with our "differences" it is after all what makes a forum worthwhile. I like the fact you dont resort to name calling unlike some, far better to keep it adultin my book.

I am only too aware that I try my damndest to see things with a positive slant, that is just me, the same as you tend to see things with the glass half empty approach, neither is right or wrong, it is just differing opinions. You are also correct in saying I got the Didsy thing wrong, I was miles out and held my hands up at the time, again it is just how we perceive things at any given time. You could well be right that if we had not conceded so many goals last season we may have gone up automatically, of course we will never know, every team could say the same thing I suppose, lets not forget I seem to remember that our GD was about the 6th best in the league so it can't have been that bad a season. Anyway that is all done and forgotten about now and we need to look forward to this campaign, as I said earlier yes we had a horrendous result on the back of Brighton scoring Three so the clean sheet at Leeds is as you state hard to judge right now, the upcoming games will hopefully makem things that much clearer.

Whatever our views and however we see things it is a forum for everyone and that is the only way it will continue to be a success although the real reason for dwindling numbers from years gone by is without doubt facebook, Twatter etc etc, these forums are a dying breed unfortunately, so keep posting bud and say what you think, which of course I know you will do and we really must have that beer at one of these away games, only then can i convince you in true Brian Clough style that I am right.

[barmy billy]

Rossi, firstly I have absolutely no issue with your take on things and your opinions are as justified as mine or anybody elses for that matter, in fact I enjoy reading your thoughts along with our "differences" it is after all what makes a forum worthwhile. I like the fact you dont resort to name calling unlike some, far better to keep it adultin my book.

I am only too aware that I try my damndest to see things with a positive slant, that is just me, the same as you tend to see things with the glass half empty approach, neither is right or wrong, it is just differing opinions. You are also correct in saying I got the Didsy thing wrong, I was miles out and held my hands up at the time, again it is just how we perceive things at any given time. You could well be right that if we had not conceded so many goals last season we may have gone up automatically, of course we will never know, every team could say the same thing I suppose, lets not forget I seem to remember that our GD was about the 6th best in the league so it can't have been that bad a season. Anyway that is all done and forgotten about now and we need to look forward to this campaign, as I said earlier yes we had a horrendous result on the back of Brighton scoring Three so the clean sheet at Leeds is as you state hard to judge right now, the upcoming games will hopefully makem things that much clearer.

Whatever our views and however we see things it is a forum for everyone and that is the only way it will continue to be a success although the real reason for dwindling numbers from years gone by is without doubt facebook, Twatter etc etc, these forums are a dying breed unfortunately, so keep posting bud and say what you think, which of course I know you will do and we really must have that beer at one of these away games, only then can i convince you in true Brian Clough style that I am right.

Aah bless! And they both lived happily ever after.