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Should be 3 points shouldn't it?

Ipswich Win
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Bristol Win
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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by marko69 » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:13 pm

Charnwood wrote:In my opinion MM made a massive mistake in his team selection at Man Utd and in my humble opinion that may have had an impact on team motivation today.
With all due respect, mate......, If there is any truth in that whatsoever, I'd put every one of the overpaid c*nts on the f**king transfer list.

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Post by marko69 » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:16 pm

James Scharmann wrote:The funny thing is I know fully well if we played our best team at Man Utd lost by same score line and drew today people would be moaning why didn't he "rest" players midweek.
You are spot on, James. Everyone and their feckin dug is a manager!

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Post by Charnwood » Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:10 pm

Not sure how many pro's or ex pro's you guys chat to, I only know a handful or so but they all without exception hated being rested especially for the big games. Just imagine how you'd feel about being dropped for a game at Old Trafford playing on the same pitch as the likes of de'Gea, Rooney, Schweinsteiger, Mata ,Martial etc in front of 56000 fans...... and then having to lift yourself to play against the team bottom of the Championship which is expected to be a walk in the park.

I can't believe some of you don't understand the potential issues and why it might affect motivation, especially for those players who thought they shouldn't have been dropped and felt they'd missed out on a career highlight.

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Post by marko69 » Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:56 pm

Not read anyone else voice an opinion, so when you say "some of you", you mean me. :lol:

I'd personally kick their arses for them. There is a job to do in the league, they are paid to do that job and they have a boss. Like any other job, if the bosses decisions p*ss them off, they can fk off. I do understand what you are saying, Charnwood; Old Trafford etc etc etc,....., but they need to get their arses into gear come league match day. If it leaked in any way that a player (let's say Berra) had said that he couldn't get himself "up" for the Bristol City game due to not being allowed to play at Man Utd, (if I was the boss) he'd be docked a months wages. That'd go some way to getting their arses into gear.

And besides......, if they COULD make more of a habit of getting their arses into gear, they'd be playing at Old Trafford, Anfield, White Hart Lane, etc etc every other week.

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Post by marko69 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:03 am

And if you think about it even more........., IF, there was no motivation against Bristol City due to players being benched against Manchester United, then you could argue that Mick McCarthy has in fact "lost" the changing room. And if that's the case, then its time for him to go too. A bit dramatic if you ask me.

To be honest, after watching the defence against Reading and Birmingham, I couldn't quite figure out why there were big expectations.

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Post by ipswichtownNo1 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:39 am

Charnwood wrote:Not sure how many pro's or ex pro's you guys chat to, I only know a handful or so but they all without exception hated being rested especially for the big games. Just imagine how you'd feel about being dropped for a game at Old Trafford playing on the same pitch as the likes of de'Gea, Rooney, Schweinsteiger, Mata ,Martial etc in front of 56000 fans...... and then having to lift yourself to play against the team bottom of the Championship which is expected to be a walk in the park.

I can't believe some of you don't understand the potential issues and why it might affect motivation, especially for those players who thought they shouldn't have been dropped and felt they'd missed out on a career highlight.
To beat teams like bristol to get the premiership should be a reason for motivation. Not tick along in the championship hoping for a big cup draw so they can say "the highlight of my career was 1 game at old trafford in a cup game nobody remembers" . Im sure they would rather say " i got promoted to the prem and played week in and week out in possibly the best league in the world". They should show thier worth, not sulk cos they didnt play. That attitude , if it is whats happened, tells me exactly why they SHOULD be dropped. Also it should be a reminder that their place in the team isnt a given and to work hard in every match as a team player.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Bluemike » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:27 am

For me yesterday was as woeful as it gets, total abject display against a very mediocre team who at times we somehow managed to make look very good. We just never got going from start to finish and despite going ahead I never felt we were going to win that game so poor were we. It is really p*ss poor to "rest" the main starting Eleven and then have that sh*te dished up. As is well documented I am pretty much behind MM but his comments after yesterdays f***fest do stretch the patience somewhat.

We never passed the bloody ball, at times we had no shape, we barely played any football until the last 10 minutes when Fraser finally started causing them massive problems. Quite how we found ourselves ahead was staggering but it didnt last long, of course their first goal was a total fluke and anyone blaming Gerken needs help, it was a wicked deflection that sent him completely the wrong way, in fact he did little wrong yesterday compared to some like Maitland-Niles who apart from onme really good run in the second half was useless, his passing was crap, he constantly forgot his defensive duites and time and time again he was drsgged so far out of position it was untrue. I also thought Sears & Murphy had poor games, Murph is a shadow of the man he was and it is a massive concern right now.

I think it is fairly obvious we need to freshen it up in some shape or form next week and with any luck Kevin Bru will be back in alongside Skusey, I would not be upset at Parr in for Knudsen either, Jonas offers a bit going forward but at times defensively is lacking. I also get the feeling we are rotating the strikers too much, get Two in there and keep them in there. I am not a massive Smith fan but again he was far and away our best defender yesterday, for me Berra is a big concern this season, his composure and assurance has gone, he is so jittery it's laughable.


I have always said stats mean sod all and looking at the ones for yesterday's game you would think we had them under the cosh with over 20 attempts at goal and 60 something percent possession but as most of us saw that was total bollocks. There was only One team that deserved to win that game and it wasnt us, in fact had Gerken not pulled of a great save early doors it could have been even more painful. So that is Four points dropped in Two very winnable home games and despite the fact we are still very well placed points wise we clearly have to improve before we fall away any more. I am certainly not panicking but there needs to be a big improvement starting next week at Blackburn, we bounced back at Leeds and I am hopeful we can do it again. I am miffed at at hauling my arse up to Manchester at no small expense to watch a reserve side when I take into account the sh*te I was served up yesterday.
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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Charnwood » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:45 am

Marko me old mate, my comment wasn't aimed solely at you, if you look thro the thread you're not the only one either missing my point or not quite understanding it.

Motivation is a driver that enables people to either over or underperform against their norm and
has nothing to do with players "getting off arses" or "getting into gear" or anything about McCarthy "losing the dressing room" ...

Intrinsic motivation which is so important in sport is all about players behaviours and enjoyment and is an essential ingredient to get the best out of them. Players who are excited and feel valued and important to the team are more likely to excel, than one who feels devalued or less important. An interested, excited and confident player is far more likely to produce enhanced performance on the pitch than one who isn't, which is probably why our second string team did so well to contain a strong Man Utd team for as long as they did on Wednesday night.

Just think how much more excited, important and confident our first team players would have felt running out on the pitch yesterday had they given a good account of themselves at Old Trafford, in fact the dressing room would have been buzzing pre match.

Participation motivation is another key driver for footballers and is all about being part of a team, getting selected, their status within the team and recognition, some may think trivial but all very important when trying to get players to excel and over perform.

I just think the fella got it completely wrong dropping everyone who played the previous weekend, and looking at the subs bench I guess most of them stayed back at Portman Road training without either the manager or coach being around. Hardly a motivating experience whilst their mostly inferior mates enjoyed themselves playing against Manchester United in front of a crowd of 56000.

Maybe had he just rested a couple of players who might have been carrying niggling injuries, or for performance reasons wanted to try something different, or simply wanting to motivate a couple of junior players then I could have understood his decision, but changing the whole team was f**king stupid and he got his pay back yesterday, not because the players "couldn't be arsed" but simply because some of them probably weren't as motivated as they could have been and in my opinion that was the managers fault.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by bluejacko » Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:53 am

Charnwood wrote:Marko me old mate, my comment wasn't aimed solely at you, if you look thro the thread you're not the only one either missing my point or not quite understanding it.

Motivation is a driver that enables people to either over or underperform against their norm and
has nothing to do with players "getting off arses" or "getting into gear" or anything about McCarthy "losing the dressing room" ...

Intrinsic motivation which is so important in sport is all about players behaviours and enjoyment and is an essential ingredient to get the best out of them. Players who are excited and feel valued and important to the team are more likely to excel, than one who feels devalued or less important. An interested, excited and confident player is far more likely to produce enhanced performance on the pitch than one who isn't, which is probably why our second string team did so well to contain a strong Man Utd team for as long as they did on Wednesday night.

Just think how much more excited, important and confident our first team players would have felt running out on the pitch yesterday had they given a good account of themselves at Old Trafford, in fact the dressing room would have been buzzing pre match.
You have hit that right on the money,could not agree more!
Participation motivation is another key driver for footballers and is all about being part of a team, getting selected, their status within the team and recognition, some may think trivial but all very important when trying to get players to excel and over perform.

I just think the fella got it completely wrong dropping everyone who played the previous weekend, and looking at the subs bench I guess most of them stayed back at Portman Road training without either the manager or coach being around. Hardly a motivating experience whilst their mostly inferior mates enjoyed themselves playing against Manchester United in front of a crowd of 56000.

Maybe had he just rested a couple of players who might have been carrying niggling injuries, or for performance reasons wanted to try something different, or simply wanting to motivate a couple of junior players then I could have understood his decision, but changing the whole team was f**king stupid and he got his pay back yesterday, not because the players "couldn't be arsed" but simply because some of them probably weren't as motivated as they could have been and in my opinion that was the managers fault.
Spot on with your comments

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by marko69 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 11:11 am

Didn't realise you were a psychiatrist, Charnwood. Again, with all due respect, you are looking way too much into it. If one league cup game can cause so much mental goings on, then Mick had no f**king chance.
Then as James already said, had he played the "great" team that got arse rammed 5-1 by Reading, and had there been injuries,...... Dear God, the slating he'd have got.

And for the record, mate, You are not making a massive revelation of a point for people to "understand". It's quite clear what you are saying, I undetstand it, I just don't agree with it.

Wednesday, a full Hibs team played a full Aberdeen team and gubbed them in every department 2-0. Was so easy. Those same players should have been extremely motivated for St Mirren yesterday after beating unbeaten in all competitions, Aberdeen?; were they f*ck. They played Shyte in a 1-1 draw at Easter Road. And the excuse is tiredness after the Aberdeen game.

Managers never get it right for getting it wrong.

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Post by hallamblue » Sun Sep 27, 2015 3:35 pm

Charnwood wrote:Marko me old mate, my comment wasn't aimed solely at you, if you look thro the thread you're not the only one either missing my point or not quite understanding it.

Motivation is a driver that enables people to either over or underperform against their norm and
has nothing to do with players "getting off arses" or "getting into gear" or anything about McCarthy "losing the dressing room" ...

Intrinsic motivation which is so important in sport is all about players behaviours and enjoyment and is an essential ingredient to get the best out of them. Players who are excited and feel valued and important to the team are more likely to excel, than one who feels devalued or less important. An interested, excited and confident player is far more likely to produce enhanced performance on the pitch than one who isn't, which is probably why our second string team did so well to contain a strong Man Utd team for as long as they did on Wednesday night.

Just think how much more excited, important and confident our first team players would have felt runningou


on the pitch yesterday had they given a good account of themselves at Old Trafford, in fact the dressing room would have been buzzing pre match.

Participation motivation is another key driver for footballers and is all about being part of a team, getting selected, their status within the team and recognition, some may think trivial but all very important when trying to get players to excel and over perform
I just think the fella got it completely wrong dropping everyone who played the previous weekend, and looking at the subs bench I guess most of them stayed back at Portman Road training without either the manager or coach being around. Hardly a motivating experience whilst their mostly inferior mates enjoyed themselves playing against Manchester United in front of a crowd of 56000.

Maybe had he just rested a couple of players who might have been carrying niggling injuries, or for performance reasons wanted to try something different, or simply wanting to motivate a couple of junior players then I could have understood his decision, but changing the whole team was f**king stupid and he got his pay back yesterday, not because the players "couldn't be arsed" but simply because some of them
probably weren't as motivated as they could have been and in my opinion that was the managers fault.
I can see where you are coming from Charny, however i think Mick also was right to give the players that had secured the Man Utd draw anyway. If the peripheral players were getting their run outs in this meaningless cup competition, why should they not keep their places when we happen to get a big draw? If the so called first teamers got their head out from their arses and performed in the bread and butter hames , like yesterday, then maybe they can play in these more glamourous fixtures like Man Utd on a regular basis. Their collective display yesterday left me wondering if we'd not have been far better to keep the side that played Man Utd .

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Charnwood » Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:56 pm

marko69 wrote:Didn't realise you were a psychiatrist, Charnwood. Again, with all due respect, you are looking way too much into it. If one league cup game can cause so much mental goings on, then Mick had no f**king chance.
Then as James already said, had he played the "great" team that got arse rammed 5-1 by Reading, and had there been injuries,...... Dear God, the slating he'd have got.

And for the record, mate, You are not making a massive revelation of a point for people to "understand". It's quite clear what you are saying, I undetstand it, I just don't agree with it.

Wednesday, a full Hibs team played a full Aberdeen team and gubbed them in every department 2-0. Was so easy. Those same players should have been extremely motivated for St Mirren yesterday after beating unbeaten in all competitions, Aberdeen?; were they f*ck. They played Shyte in a 1-1 draw at Easter Road. And the excuse is tiredness after the Aberdeen game.

Managers never get it right for getting it wrong.

I've no idea what Micky Mouse football in Scotland has to do with this debate, and if you don't agree that motivation has anything to do with performance relating to sport then I guess I'm probably wasting my time replying.

However for the record whilst I'm not a psychiatrist I am well qualified to offer my opinion on manager motivation and it's impact on team and individual performance.

Furthermore there's nothing you can write that will ever convince me that MM made the right decision making 11 changes for the game at Old Trafford. I can't imagine it did much for the motivation of the travelling fans either.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Charnwood » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:05 pm

hallamblue wrote:
Charnwood wrote:Marko me old mate, my comment wasn't aimed solely at you, if you look thro the thread you're not the only one either missing my point or not quite understanding it.

Motivation is a driver that enables people to either over or underperform against their norm and
has nothing to do with players "getting off arses" or "getting into gear" or anything about McCarthy "losing the dressing room" ...

Intrinsic motivation which is so important in sport is all about players behaviours and enjoyment and is an essential ingredient to get the best out of them. Players who are excited and feel valued and important to the team are more likely to excel, than one who feels devalued or less important. An interested, excited and confident player is far more likely to produce enhanced performance on the pitch than one who isn't, which is probably why our second string team did so well to contain a strong Man Utd team for as long as they did on Wednesday night.

Just think how much more excited, important and confident our first team players would have felt runningou


on the pitch yesterday had they given a good account of themselves at Old Trafford, in fact the dressing room would have been buzzing pre match.

Participation motivation is another key driver for footballers and is all about being part of a team, getting selected, their status within the team and recognition, some may think trivial but all very important when trying to get players to excel and over perform
I just think the fella got it completely wrong dropping everyone who played the previous weekend, and looking at the subs bench I guess most of them stayed back at Portman Road training without either the manager or coach being around. Hardly a motivating experience whilst their mostly inferior mates enjoyed themselves playing against Manchester United in front of a crowd of 56000.

Maybe had he just rested a couple of players who might have been carrying niggling injuries, or for performance reasons wanted to try something different, or simply wanting to motivate a couple of junior players then I could have understood his decision, but changing the whole team was f**king stupid and he got his pay back yesterday, not because the players "couldn't be arsed" but simply because some of them
probably weren't as motivated as they could have been and in my opinion that was the managers fault.
I can see where you are coming from Charny, however i think Mick also was right to give the players that had secured the Man Utd draw anyway. If the peripheral players were getting their run outs in this meaningless cup competition, why should they not keep their places when we happen to get a big draw? If the so called first teamers got their head out from their arses and performed in the bread and butter hames , like yesterday, then maybe they can play in these more glamourous fixtures like Man Utd on a regular basis. Their collective display yesterday left me wondering if we'd not have been far better to keep the side that played Man Utd .

If that were true Liz it would make a strong argument, but only five of the players who secured the win at Donny were in the starting line up at Old Trafford.

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Post by marko69 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 5:41 pm

:lol: Debate? Your debating skills have been suspect for years, mate. The minute someone, (not normally me) disagrees or questions your opinion, you get a bit hissy fitty. It's quite amusing if I'm honest. With me, it's the "Scottish" dig! :lol: Superb.

For the record though, I have never been in the camp that agreed with the eleven changes at Old Trafford. I have always wanted ITFC to have the League Cup as part of the honours list. The line up was indeed very disappointing.

Regarding motivation. Let's agree that it's arguably one of the most important aspects at any football club. There is no dispute there.
But regarding team selection for the Manchester United game , that will have been discussed in great depth with the players and management staff as to what the plan for the game was going to be long before the Wednesday. Those players will have known that they were not going to be featuring and will have had professional explanations as to why. If then they couldn't get themselves motivated for a more important HOME league game, then Mick has a problem with the attitude of those players, not their motivation.
Are you saying Charnwood, that if you were on that squad, you'd have been less motivated and more than likely in the f**king cream puff because you didn't play?

It's laughable. I also find it unbelievable.

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Post by barmy billy » Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:46 pm

Charnwood wrote:Marko me old mate, my comment wasn't aimed solely at you, if you look thro the thread you're not the only one either missing my point or not quite understanding it.

Motivation is a driver that enables people to either over or underperform against their norm and
has nothing to do with players "getting off arses" or "getting into gear" or anything about McCarthy "losing the dressing room" ...

Intrinsic motivation which is so important in sport is all about players behaviours and enjoyment and is an essential ingredient to get the best out of them. Players who are excited and feel valued and important to the team are more likely to excel, than one who feels devalued or less important. An interested, excited and confident player is far more likely to produce enhanced performance on the pitch than one who isn't, which is probably why our second string team did so well to contain a strong Man Utd team for as long as they did on Wednesday night.

Just think how much more excited, important and confident our first team players would have felt running out on the pitch yesterday had they given a good account of themselves at Old Trafford, in fact the dressing room would have been buzzing pre match.

Participation motivation is another key driver for footballers and is all about being part of a team, getting selected, their status within the team and recognition, some may think trivial but all very important when trying to get players to excel and over perform.

I just think the fella got it completely wrong dropping everyone who played the previous weekend, and looking at the subs bench I guess most of them stayed back at Portman Road training without either the manager or coach being around. Hardly a motivating experience whilst their mostly inferior mates enjoyed themselves playing against Manchester United in front of a crowd of 56000.

Maybe had he just rested a couple of players who might have been carrying niggling injuries, or for performance reasons wanted to try something different, or simply wanting to motivate a couple of junior players then I could have understood his decision, but changing the whole team was f**king stupid and he got his pay back yesterday, not because the players "couldn't be arsed" but simply because some of them probably weren't as motivated as they could have been and in my opinion that was the managers fault.
We've all been on the motivational training courses Charnwood but you obviously didn't take it all in. Your opening 'Marko me old mate' is the typical passive aggressive comment you give someone when you are trying to prove your superior knowlege. As has been said already, you cannot take anyone disagreeing with you and resort to the sort of comment above.

It is a known fact that when one looks back over past times (eg ex pros) ones opinions change and things are not thought of as they were say, 15-20 years ago. There will be obvious exceptions, but in the main the average footballer is not blessed with the highest intelligence (sad but true) and would not understand many of the motivational techniques taught. They are motivated by the vast amounts of money they earn and the size of the ridiculous cars they drive more than anything else. This is why so many of them are prepared to stay at clubs picking up the cash in the full knowlege that will hardly ever see first team football.

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Post by Tangfastic » Sun Sep 27, 2015 6:50 pm

Too much is being mentioned about this Man U game.

The same players who got stuffed 5-1 and played in a disappointing home draw against Birmingham also played in another below par performance against Bristol C.

Seems like a link there ... Nothing to do about the so-called great honour of being soundly beat at Old Trafford. We're just not good enough at the moment.

If MM has made some motivational faux pas its bugger all to do with a glory Capital Cup game.... he seems to be sticking to certain favoured players irrespective of their performances.

That was must be a huge de-motivator to fringe players who can't get a look in. And for the ones who continually get picked regardless of performance , another motivator would be to take them out of their comfort zone and drop them.

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Post by number 9 » Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:00 pm

I respect everyone's opinion here, but I really don't think the ManU game had anything to do with yesterday's result. For some reason, the team just isn't clicking this year. I hate to throw out the 'gel' word again...but maybe it'll be mid-season before MM gets it straightened out with all the new additions. I fear we'll have several weeks of inconsistency, but hopefully the team will settle down before it's too late. I know I'll probably get a bollocking for saying this, but I have to iterate that 'you get what you pay for'. We don't have a lot of money to spend on big names, so we'll have to accept what we do have. I've given up on expecting promotion...I'm not sure we'll ever achieve that status now, but I'll keep on supporting ITFC. COYB!!

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Post by ashfordblue » Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:27 pm

Now Now girls handbags at twenty paces, this cracks me up Charner's & Marko having a dig, but every single person on this site has a right to express there feelings about the games, Manager, the club whatever, :oops: if you want to get really arsed up support an SPL team like the Jags Fooking W*****s lol.

Now what I'm about to say is this, I've been trolling through TWTD site and viewing comments from supporters who went to the game and some who didn't, and the majority think Mick's lost the plot on team selection, and is clearly picking his favourites every match, he is a stubborn old git, the main comment I read was the Brizzle city defence had a couple of tall defenders one Flint 6ft 7" and another 6ft 4", and yet he set his stall out with Murph up top getting balls lumped up to him, and not a cat in hells chance of getting near them, typical town play hoof it, and also they say that Scuse and Douglas just aint working, it needs Bru & Bish to be brought in, you know really we have a bloody good squad of players, and that Fraser & Pittman Mcgoldrick Sears should be on the team sheet to add some much needed stability, Chambers gets absolutely skinned time and time again, but still Mick plays him at RB, Smith right side midfield?? and teams come here and quickly suss the weak spot, weve got Parr fooking play him, Knudson needs to sharpen up his defensive game as well, not a patch on Cressy or Mings.

I really think that if these inept performances keep coming up, where the majority of the team just don't turn up, like the Reading game and yesterdays, I can see ME saying to Mick & Terry get it sorted before Christmas son or you can go, he's had long enough now to get it spot on, but he's stubborn, he's getting well past his sell by date for sure, same mistakes week in week out, you cant expect the fans to keep paying to watch that crap, the players are there just sort out the right team.

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Post by ashfordblue » Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:29 pm

barmy billy wrote:
Charnwood wrote:Marko me old mate, my comment wasn't aimed solely at you, if you look thro the thread you're not the only one either missing my point or not quite understanding it.

Motivation is a driver that enables people to either over or underperform against their norm and
has nothing to do with players "getting off arses" or "getting into gear" or anything about McCarthy "losing the dressing room" ...

Intrinsic motivation which is so important in sport is all about players behaviours and enjoyment and is an essential ingredient to get the best out of them. Players who are excited and feel valued and important to the team are more likely to excel, than one who feels devalued or less important. An interested, excited and confident player is far more likely to produce enhanced performance on the pitch than one who isn't, which is probably why our second string team did so well to contain a strong Man Utd team for as long as they did on Wednesday night.

Just think how much more excited, important and confident our first team players would have felt running out on the pitch yesterday had they given a good account of themselves at Old Trafford, in fact the dressing room would have been buzzing pre match.

Participation motivation is another key driver for footballers and is all about being part of a team, getting selected, their status within the team and recognition, some may think trivial but all very important when trying to get players to excel and over perform.

I just think the fella got it completely wrong dropping everyone who played the previous weekend, and looking at the subs bench I guess most of them stayed back at Portman Road training without either the manager or coach being around. Hardly a motivating experience whilst their mostly inferior mates enjoyed themselves playing against Manchester United in front of a crowd of 56000.

Maybe had he just rested a couple of players who might have been carrying niggling injuries, or for performance reasons wanted to try something different, or simply wanting to motivate a couple of junior players then I could have understood his decision, but changing the whole team was f**king stupid and he got his pay back yesterday, not because the players "couldn't be arsed" but simply because some of them probably weren't as motivated as they could have been and in my opinion that was the managers fault.
We've all been on the motivational training courses Charnwood but you obviously didn't take it all in. Your opening 'Marko me old mate' is the typical passive aggressive comment you give someone when you are trying to prove your superior knowlege. As has been said already, you cannot take anyone disagreeing with you and resort to the sort of comment above.

It is a known fact that when one looks back over past times (eg ex pros) ones opinions change and things are not thought of as they were say, 15-20 years ago. There will be obvious exceptions, but in the main the average footballer is not blessed with the highest intelligence (sad but true) and would not understand many of the motivational techniques taught. They are motivated by the vast amounts of money they earn and the size of the ridiculous cars they drive more than anything else. This is why so many of them are prepared to stay at clubs picking up the cash in the full knowlege that will hardly ever see first team football.
Spot on BB

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by arana peligrosa » Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:30 pm

Something that's never had to be done in eight years, but if I block a user will it hide (or obliterate) their goddamn thread/s also ? Believe I've reached a point of tolerance.

Last word, (as it's simply bashing heads against walls) on this damn Manchester game. Had a look (more out of curiosity)at the winners opponents and they play Middlesbrough at home. Yes that could have been us with a feasible entry into the last eight, but that can't happen now. McCarthy approached the game with what I (and others) saw as a serious level of apathy and disregard to the competition and this coming from the one man directly responsible for leadership and progress. I was disappointed to see the opportunity to win something passed over so readily and quickly overlooked. Yes we'll maybe finish in or around the play-off zone in the league but can't see anything substantial by way of a trophy coming from it. (Not expecting to win the play-offs if we make it again)

Would like to take a last opportunity to concur with the minority who actually wanted to see the club win something again (a number of kids on here who have no idea or memory of what it feels like to see Ipswich Town as winners of a domestic trophy) - NOT the play-off 2000 victory - And while there will be another chance in the New Year, you have to feel there's a certain inevitability of what is going to occur.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by barmy billy » Sun Sep 27, 2015 7:37 pm

ashfordblue wrote:Now Now girls handbags at twenty paces, this cracks me up Charner's & Marko having a dig, but every single person on this site has a right to express there feelings about the games, Manager, the club whatever, :oops: if you want to get really arsed up support an SPL team like the Jags Fooking W*****s lol.

Now what I'm about to say is this, I've been trolling through TWTD site and viewing comments from supporters who went to the game and some who didn't, and the majority think Mick's lost the plot on team selection, and is clearly picking his favourites every match, he is a stubborn old git, the main comment I read was the Brizzle city defence had a couple of tall defenders one 6ft 7" and another 6ft 4", and yet he set his stall out with Murph up top getting balls lumped up to him, and not a cat in hells chance of getting near them, typical town play hoof it, and also they say that Scuse and Douglas just aint working, it needs Bru & Bish to be brought in, you know really we have a bloody good squad of players, and that Fraser & Pittman Mcgoldrick Sears should be on the team sheet to add some much needed stability, Chambers gets absolutely skinned time and time again, but still Mick plays him at RB, Smith right side midfield?? and teams come here and quickly suss the weak spot, weve got Parr fooking play him, Knudson needs to sharpen up his defensive game as well, not a patch on Cressy or Mings.

I really think that if these inept performances keep coming up, where the majority of the team just don't turn up, like the Reading game and yesterdays, I can see ME saying to Mick & Terry get it sorted before Christmas son or you can go, he's had long enough now to get it spot on, but he's stubborn, he's getting well past his sell by date for sure, same mistakes week in week out, you cant expect the fans to keep paying to watch that crap, the players are there just sort out the right team.

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I'll leave that to others.

Seriously though, your point about picking favourites is starting to ring true as is MM's stubborness which has been mentioned often in the past. The Chambers issue has been going on for over a season now with MM impervious to comments made. Surely Parr is worth a run now that he's fully fit. From what I remember, he impressed last season.

Certainly something needs to happen or we will be languishing in mid-table all season.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by Bluemike » Sun Sep 27, 2015 8:25 pm

To be honest I don't think yesterday has much to do with the Man Utd thing nor do I think it is time for panic or in depth enquiries, yes we are not on our game right now, yes we were p*ss poor yesterday, yes we probably need to make one or two changes but it is hardly critical is it. I understand peoples concerns but we go from Black to White and back to Black again on here, there is never anything in between. We arent in a bad position at all, all teams have spells where things don't go their way, we are having one now. Joint third place after 9 games, if we are unhappy with that, especially as we haven't clicked into gear yet then our expectations are OTT.

As has been mentioned by someone above, you kinda get what you pay for and going on our spending again we shouldn't really be miuxing it with the likes of Hull, Burnley, Derby etc, but we are. I do concede that we have to get on a run of form before we slip too far back but we proved we can do it by winning at Leeds and I believe we will do it again. I seriously don't believe we are anywhere near the point of having to rip the whole team apart just yet, a tweak here or there would do it, we know we can score goals, we are one of the highest scorers again, it's defensively where we have issues, that does not fall solely on the shoulders of the back four, look deeper into it and for insytance yesterday Mailtland-Niles often abandoned his defensive duties and left Chambo completely exposed, it's not always clear cut that the defence is at fault, defending starts from the front. MM will get it right and when he does we will be fine.

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Post by number 9 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:28 am

I just had a thought...don't p*ss Charny off cuz he does the Prediction Lg! We don't want him buggering off before Bluecheese takes the title!!

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Post by Bluemike » Mon Sep 28, 2015 6:48 am

number 9 wrote:I just had a thought...don't p*ss Charny off cuz he does the Prediction Lg! We don't want him buggering off before Bluecheese takes the title!!
Nobody will be taking any titles away thank you very much. :)

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Post by herforder » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:19 am

number 9 wrote:I just had a thought...don't p*ss Charny off cuz he does the Prediction Lg! We don't want him buggering off before Bluecheese takes the title!!
bluemike wrote:
number 9 wrote:I just had a thought...don't p*ss Charny off cuz he does the Prediction Lg! We don't want him buggering off before Bluecheese takes the title!!
Nobody will be taking any titles away thank you very much. :)
Least of all ITFC, unless we up our game! :wink:

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Post by Andym » Mon Sep 28, 2015 9:29 am

I post much more rarely these days, and unfortunately this thread highlights the main reason why. I can understand how discussions can get heated face to face, but when you're sat at a keyboard with time to think before exchanging insults... I despair.

For what it's worth, here's my take on our situation.

We always seem to look for scapegoats when things go wrong. McCarthy's tactics, or team selection for this or the previous game, or individual players. I think it's time to be more realistic and less blinkered.

1. I don't think the team selected for Man U had the slightest impact on Saturday's performance. A more likely factor is that we were playing a lowly team and expected them to be easy.

2. Gerken takes a lot of criticism on this board, because - like McCarthy - we have favourites and many think Bart is better. For my part, I think both are decent, neither is great, and there is little to choose. I do think though, as Blue Mike said, that Gerken had a good game on Saturday and could do nothing about the first goal as the deflection moved the path of the ball from his right to his left and he was already committed to the right.

3. Smith also takes a lot of stick. But he was as good if not better than any other of our defenders on Saturday. Chambers is struggling this season, as is Berra. I don't believe Knudsen will ever make it at this level. He is out of his depth, and unfortunately when Parr came on he looked weak, allowing too much space.

4. The next scapegoat is Douglas. I'm not keen on him either, and I'm still not a fan of Skuse. I am a fan of Bru's but we need to be aware of the potential problems. A 4-4-2 formation is pretty interchangeable with 4-2-4. Our wide players (particularly if we play Fraser and Niles) tend to be attacking players. If we replaced (for example) Douglas with Bru, I think Skuse would be hopelessly exposed when Bru pushed forward.

5. I know he's only 12 or whatever, but I don't think Niles will ever make it. He did have a good couple of 45 minutes earlier in the season, but he offers no protection at all. He will not challenge for a 50-50 ball on the ground or in the air. It doesn't matter how young or old you are - if you don't have the guts to do it now you never will.

6. Presumably it was MM's decision, not for the first time, to move Niles into a more central position on Saturday. This offered even less protection to Chambers and also Niles was completely ineffective.

7. The strikers. Murphy is out of form. Pitman isn't good enough. I believe McGoldrick has an issue with the rest of the team (see below). Sears had a poor game on Saturday - I overheard one lady say as she left after the game "Why wasn't Sears playing today?" I thought yes, that's how much of an impression he made.

8. McGoldrick. I think when the rest of the team aren't playing well, he is like the star of an under 12 side - her wants to do it all himself because he's knows the rest of the team aren't good enough. He comes back to get the ball. Her wants to take everyone on. He wants to score. He was very poor on Saturday but I still rate him and think he just lacks any support.

9. Tactics. Bristol had a giant at the back and we still resorted to lumping long balls forward. That and moving Niles centrally. I don't think I need say any more.

10. I came away from the Birmingham draw feeling happy. Not with the result but I had enjoyed the game. When I thought about individuals, the only players who had actually impressed were Toure and (in the first half) Sears. But we deserved better from the chances we created. But the Bristol game? The only minor positive was Fraser. Who of course isn't a Town player.

11. I've said it before but the main problem is that individually we are very poor. McGoldrick is probably the only player we have who I expect to actually control the ball with his first touch. Most of the team are incapable of playing an accurate pass. The 2 fundamentals of the game and almost the entire team are inept at both. We can play whatever formation we like and whatever team we like but that won't change. We get results - when we get them - through effort. But underneath that, there is nothing. So let's not expect us to achieve success because we won't. Without investment, without a manager who values ability as well as effort, we are going nowhere.

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Re: Ipswich Town vs Bristol City Preview & Matchday Thread

Post by barmy billy » Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:40 pm

Andym wrote:I post much more rarely these days, and unfortunately this thread highlights the main reason why. I can understand how discussions can get heated face to face, but when you're sat at a keyboard with time to think before exchanging insults... I despair.

For what it's worth, here's my take on our situation.

We always seem to look for scapegoats when things go wrong. McCarthy's tactics, or team selection for this or the previous game, or individual players. I think it's time to be more realistic and less blinkered.

1. I don't think the team selected for Man U had the slightest impact on Saturday's performance. A more likely factor is that we were playing a lowly team and expected them to be easy.

2. Gerken takes a lot of criticism on this board, because - like McCarthy - we have favourites and many think Bart is better. For my part, I think both are decent, neither is great, and there is little to choose. I do think though, as Blue Mike said, that Gerken had a good game on Saturday and could do nothing about the first goal as the deflection moved the path of the ball from his right to his left and he was already committed to the right.

3. Smith also takes a lot of stick. But he was as good if not better than any other of our defenders on Saturday. Chambers is struggling this season, as is Berra. I don't believe Knudsen will ever make it at this level. He is out of his depth, and unfortunately when Parr came on he looked weak, allowing too much space.

4. The next scapegoat is Douglas. I'm not keen on him either, and I'm still not a fan of Skuse. I am a fan of Bru's but we need to be aware of the potential problems. A 4-4-2 formation is pretty interchangeable with 4-2-4. Our wide players (particularly if we play Fraser and Niles) tend to be attacking players. If we replaced (for example) Douglas with Bru, I think Skuse would be hopelessly exposed when Bru pushed forward.

5. I know he's only 12 or whatever, but I don't think Niles will ever make it. He did have a good couple of 45 minutes earlier in the season, but he offers no protection at all. He will not challenge for a 50-50 ball on the ground or in the air. It doesn't matter how young or old you are - if you don't have the guts to do it now you never will.

6. Presumably it was MM's decision, not for the first time, to move Niles into a more central position on Saturday. This offered even less protection to Chambers and also Niles was completely ineffective.

7. The strikers. Murphy is out of form. Pitman isn't good enough. I believe McGoldrick has an issue with the rest of the team (see below). Sears had a poor game on Saturday - I overheard one lady say as she left after the game "Why wasn't Sears playing today?" I thought yes, that's how much of an impression he made.

8. McGoldrick. I think when the rest of the team aren't playing well, he is like the star of an under 12 side - her wants to do it all himself because he's knows the rest of the team aren't good enough. He comes back to get the ball. Her wants to take everyone on. He wants to score. He was very poor on Saturday but I still rate him and think he just lacks any support.

9. Tactics. Bristol had a giant at the back and we still resorted to lumping long balls forward. That and moving Niles centrally. I don't think I need say any more.

10. I came away from the Birmingham draw feeling happy. Not with the result but I had enjoyed the game. When I thought about individuals, the only players who had actually impressed were Toure and (in the first half) Sears. But we deserved better from the chances we created. But the Bristol game? The only minor positive was Fraser. Who of course isn't a Town player.

11. I've said it before but the main problem is that individually we are very poor. McGoldrick is probably the only player we have who I expect to actually control the ball with his first touch. Most of the team are incapable of playing an accurate pass. The 2 fundamentals of the game and almost the entire team are inept at both. We can play whatever formation we like and whatever team we like but that won't change. We get results - when we get them - through effort. But underneath that, there is nothing. So let's not expect us to achieve success because we won't. Without investment, without a manager who values ability as well as effort, we are going nowhere.
I don't think anyone would disagree with your comments, particularly as some of your points are shared by others. Your opinion about our inability to play an accurate pass and that we get results by effort my than anything else I think are particularly true. The simple fact is that we have no class in the team: MM makes signings but none of them are anyone special and he seems unwilling to address either the ongoing midfield and hoof ball issues.

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Post by marko69 » Mon Sep 28, 2015 3:17 pm

Subsequent posters offering opinions with the conversations between myself and Charnwood, need to read the posts exchanged........ There were no insults exchanged in the slightest. It was merely an opinion offered , and said opinion disagreed with. It happens on sports forums.

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:35 pm

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Post by Charnwood » Mon Sep 28, 2015 5:37 pm

marko69 wrote::lol: Debate? Your debating skills have been suspect for years, mate. The minute someone, (not normally me) disagrees or questions your opinion, you get a bit hissy fitty. It's quite amusing if I'm honest. With me, it's the "Scottish" dig! :lol: Superb.

For the record though, I have never been in the camp that agreed with the eleven changes at Old Trafford. I have always wanted ITFC to have the League Cup as part of the honours list. The line up was indeed very disappointing.

Regarding motivation. Let's agree that it's arguably one of the most important aspects at any football club. There is no dispute there.
But regarding team selection for the Manchester United game , that will have been discussed in great depth with the players and management staff as to what the plan for the game was going to be long before the Wednesday. Those players will have known that they were not going to be featuring and will have had professional explanations as to why. If then they couldn't get themselves motivated for a more important HOME league game, then Mick has a problem with the attitude of those players, not their motivation.
Are you saying Charnwood, that if you were on that squad, you'd have been less motivated and more than likely in the f**king cream puff because you didn't play?

It's laughable. I also find it unbelievable.


You may well find it laughable and unbelievable Marko, but I don't have a bloody clue what language you're using. I've no idea what a "hissy fit" is and have never heard of the term, and the same applies to being "in the f**king cream puff".. I guess these are all Scottish terms probably abusive or derogatory, but given all the interest and pokes from third party stirrers it's probably best that we simply choose to agree to disagree and move on.

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