Blackburn Rovers v Ipswich Town preview and matchday thread

Quasar · Post by **Quasar** » Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:01 pm

Not happy...that's all I can say....before something gets broken....

ipswichtownNo1 · Post by **ipswichtownNo1** » Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:02 pm

Feckin Mick OUT. Ive been a big fan of his but im getting frustrated now. The squad we have should be achieving more. Has to be down to mick

barmy billy · Post by **barmy billy** » Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:24 pm

We supporters are not a happy bunch at the moment and rightly so. I listened this afternnon and apart from a couple of apparently world class from Gerken there wasn't much else to get enthused about. I think the comment above about the team being stale sums things up perfectly.

I think MM needs to bring in some of the reserves which would go some way to appeasing the hounds that are starting to bay.

arana peligrosa · Post by **arana peligrosa** » Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:34 pm

ipswichtownNo1 wrote:Feckin Mick OUT. Ive been a big fan of his but im getting frustrated now. The squad we have should be achieving more. Has to be down to mick

I'd be a liar if I hadn't wished for McCarthys departure at some stage during his tenure here but giving it enough thought we're at least good for another season i.e. until end of May under his leadership. The results thus far have been disappointing, there is a certain game I refuse to comment further upon, and his selections have been often "questionable", but say they kick him out or there's a resignation, who could we bring in as a replacement right now ? No immediate names come to mind.

Stayed with todays game for a good 75 per cent but as it went on and the score remained the same I did believe we could get something back (especially with the attacking options) but it wasn't to be. Blackburn could be argued are an average team, but our record there has been disappointing. That was further ground lost on the top placed sides today and fear with subsequent games the distance could increase rapidly if something isn't done soon to eradicate this recent form.

Is terminating McCarthys contract the answer ? No that would appear too extreme (and) there's ample time left this season to achieve something, but this frustration may only proceed in one direction.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:07 pm

tangfastic wrote:
larrylamb wrote:Douglas is pointless - 33 years of age and brings very little to the team in improving it (if anything)..BRU should be on from the start...and bringing Oar with 10 minutes is again pointless...it will do nothing for his fitness and he can really do nothing in 10 mins...he might be lucky to get 5 touches of the ball...MM is eroding my support for him quite rapidly presently...no plan B , same players and same issues game after game..his team selection needs a shake up or it seems to be more dire to watch football is on the cards..sory to sound down but that certainly what i see for us at the moment ..with a season that held real hope for a decent one even in the way we play (if not promotion..which i thought was / is beyond us to be fair)
Fair point. Easy to point at indivuals - but I saw Douglas to provide cover in the midfield. Maybe 10 games in a season to cover and to add a bit of experience late in games. But the Skuse/Douglas midfield partnership seems to MM's preferred choice. Same as the defence.... Parr was only brought in because Knudsen was ill.
I really think MM has done great things at this club on a relative shoe-string, but his blind stubbornness and loyalty to certain players is getting tiresome.
Don't take nothing for granted or expect to win every game.... but same old, same old.

We've got a better squad... why not learn from these games and make changes.... add a bit of spark!!!! Teams know we're slow at the back and in central midfield.
MM needs to be a bit more of a tinkerman.... the team is stale.

I couldnt agree more with you.

J4ck22 · Post by **J4ck22** » Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:10 pm

I don't believe sacking Mick would benefit us in any way, even if we didn't make the play-offs again. I for one cannot be bothered to watch us take the team apart and start all over again just because we don't make the play-offs. Hell I even stopped paying attention to the game after Blackburn's second because I couldn't be arsed, but getting rid of Mick would be a massive mistake and a huge step backwards of what they've been working on achieving for the last three years, I'd hate to see that stripped apart and rebuilt by someone like Steve f**king Cotterill. No way.

ashfordblue · Post by **ashfordblue** » Sat Oct 03, 2015 10:21 pm

Well I know a certain amount of you wont agree, BUT Micks team selection is so predictable, has been for the last two seasons, I would like to see Warburton come in, at least he had Brentford playing good open footie, not bloody hoofball, he's doing ok at Rangers, albeit only second tier, but the thing with Warburton is he gets his players playing for him, anyway that's my take on this, but if the results don't drastically change before the Yuletide, I can see Mick being kicked out, I can see we have the players in the squad to really perform well, but when I see the likes of Douglas in the team along side Scuse, instead of playmaker Bru, I think nope Micks lost it, his tactics don't work anymore, what happens when Hyam & Bishop are due back will he change it, not a cat in hells chance, he's frightened to gamble on a fast counter attacking formation, so you can rip this thread to bits, But I still thinking a change is on the cards.

Mach_Polish_Blue · Post by **Mach_Polish_Blue** » Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:14 am

Really downbeat.

This was utterly despairing. Completely unacceptable performance but little wonder given Micks 'loyalty' to his poor favourite players. I expected a lifeless performance from us but it was far worse.

Only 5 months ago we had had a key game against Blackburn in last day of the season. Our defence had had a shocker. Not only that game though. Our shower has been shipping goals since January. Three of those defenders who had started at Blackburn last May started on Saturday too. Micks love children.

The game was very quickly over. How on earth Blackburn forward Akpan is allowed to drive through our defence which ended up with penalty? How on earth Rhodes scores a very easy header being unchallenged by our centre backs? Cheers Mick !!!!! Yes keep the faith with Chambers, Berra and Smith as you have been doing so since January.

What has really struck me today too was a frightening lack of quality in our team. We have no acceleration when trying to do counter attacks, we allow opposition defenders to come back and regroup as our attempts are so predictable and very slow. Our strikers were totally starved of service. Skuse and Douglas two useless dinosaurs who are content with their short sideways passing are never going to unlock defences, Toure was supposed to do a job of winger today too whereas he doesn't even know how to do that.

Mick has totally f***ed up today. He really annoys with his stubborness, stupid loyalty to some players and disregard towards Town fans. Wolves fans have warned us once as he never drops his favourite players. 4 of them (Chambers, Berra, Smith and Skuse) they know they'll always be in the team no matter how they perform. I firmly believe that if they were feeling any competition for their places they would be performing better.

Gerken...... unsure of he was doing today. Unreliable, poor goal kicks. One outstanding save though from Rhodes towards end of the game.

Chambers...... terrible, hopeless, addicted to hoofing. How on earth does McCarthy persist with that? Even when playing as centre back against Brentford and first half of the Brighton game he was indifferent. But he's still a central back. We have three players in the club that could do a right back job FFS !!!!

Smith & Berra....... very poor again though I won't be lying much into Smith. This what Berra has been doing this season needs mentioning. Only one really good game at Preston and nothing besides. Total shadow of the reliable player he once was. What's going on with him?

Parr..... didn't do much wrong but he'll certainly be dropped for the Huddersfield game as Knudsen is back and Mick 'will keep his faith' with Chambers as a right back.

Maitland-Niles....... yes the boy has a talent but I'm struggling to find an end product in him. He was supposed to do a wide job yet he seems to like carrying a ball into the middle.

Douglas ...... yes hopeless, yes very poor but LEAVE HIM ALONE FFS ! He can't be peoples automatic scapegoat. Perhaps being a slow dinosaur at our midfield is what he's required from him? A bit of sarcasm from me I know but people shouldn't forget he's still in the stage of transition from having been a goalscoring midfielder at Brentford into the defensive minded one at Ipswich. He can't become a poor player in such short period of time. Brentford skipper last season, 8 goals. All of sudden a very bad one at Ipswich? I believe it's more to the tactics we play.

Skuse...... oh yes, of course the same bullsh*t that he's so solid, vital, dependable etc etc. Mr. Untouchable. He knows he will always be in the team. Backwards and sideways passes. We couldn't afford to play without him could we? So called protection to back four? Protection of what? Of that shyte defence? I'd love him to feel a competition for his place as Micks obsession with him is bizarre.

Toure...... poor and useless but I can't accuse him of lack of effort.

Murphy ..... what is going on with him? Likewise Berra he's a shadow of player from last season. Sluggish harmless elephant who on current form doesn't deserve his place in the staring 11.

Sears...... no threat from him.

McGoldrick..... I wonder if Mick is taking a p*ss and saying 'no-one is going to dictate me what to do'. Keeping Didsy on the bench is an utter crime. The player who has a tendency to keep the ball on the ground and ability to make something out of nothing. He has to be a starter. Not Chambers, Skuse or other Micks love children.

Pitman ..... see Sears although he's not a winger and he was asked to do that job today

Oar......showed a glimpse of what he can do. Why Laursen Toure started instead of him is really baffling.

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Transfer embargoed Blackburn have beaten us very comfortably. In fact though two transfer embargoed teams played each other as Ipswich Town must be the only club in the world who have handed themselves their own embargo. We have a large squad of average players, we were littering this team with bodies instead of investing. People will say we have invested in wages and agent fees. Did we really have to bring players like Giles Coke or Laursen Toure? Why not to invest in quality?

Derby and Middlesbrough must be really sick of having been in this league such long hence their burning desire to get out of that. Ipswich Town despite having been far longer out of the top flight show different attitude though just be happy to exist.

As I've said Mick and his stubborness and decisions are so annoying. No way though do I want him to go. I'm merely asking him to stop picking his favourite players. I want him to make every player fighting for their places in the team. I want him to make us quicker and more creative.

Very poor and despairing afternoon but things are never going to change if Mick persists with his selection policy and tactics in which we are predictable and slow.

Post by **Frosty** » Sun Oct 04, 2015 1:33 am

I always look forward to your posts Mach regardless of the day's outcome. Thanks for making the effort week after week

Cheers Dave

Post by **marko69** » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:54 am

Excellent post, MPB......, very informative fans view.

And very interesting regarding Berra. I too thought he was extremely poor in the "live" games. To hear he still hasn't quite found form is worrying, especially with Tommy being the type of player who potentially has a howler waiting just around the corner. Can't criticise Chambers' form too much if the lad isn't playing in his natural position; MM is at fault for this. If there are indeed three other natural RBs at the club, then it's a strange one. The only explanation (for me) is he just doesn't want to drop Tommy Smith or Christophe Berra.

barmy billy · Post by **barmy billy** » Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:39 am

Good factual report including a number of home truth which should bother MM.

Sadly, it seems as if things (and fans) may be turning against him. Is he a one trick pony? Perhaps we are about to find out.

arana peligrosa · Post by **arana peligrosa** » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:05 pm

barmy billy wrote:Good factual report including a number of home truth which should bother MM.

Sadly, it seems as if things (and fans) may be turning against him. Is he a one trick pony? Perhaps we are about to find out.

There's no seems about it, be under no illusions there is tangible unrest with the manager within our support.

As for one-trick pony can't always remember all his achievements elsewhere but aware he did a very commendable job with the Republic of Ireland, did some good work at Wolves and Millwall. May have even achieved a promotion with the former. One last time - what works at one club may not be viable at another.

Watership Down · Post by **Watership Down** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 5:29 pm

We are 3 points from being in the top 6 so I don't see any need to worry too much at the moment. It's when you get 10 - 15 points out of the hallowed positions that's the time to start getting worried

Post by **The Don** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:11 pm

I was proper pissed off after the Bristol city game, yet kind of expected this.

The momentum seems to be swinging towards changes, be it line up or management, and I can understand that. Especially with team selection.

For whatever reason though I'm not as suicidal at the minute. Maybe I've just lost interest.

barmy billy · Post by **barmy billy** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:35 pm

The Don wrote:I was proper pissed off after the Bristol city game, yet kind of expected this.

The momentum seems to be swinging towards changes, be it line up or management, and I can understand that. Especially with team selection.

For whatever reason though I'm not as suicidal at the minute. Maybe I've just lost interest.

I don't know about you Don but I think an awful lot of us went into this season with such a high feeling of expectancy which makes what we are currently experiencing so difficult deal with.

arana peligrosa · Post by **arana peligrosa** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:45 pm

I had a feeling of expectancy but it wasn't nothing too fanciful or beyond what would be deemed realistic. I.e. a play-off place once again seemed probable, little hope of an auto promotion and maybe a run in one of the two cup competitions. There is still time for the latter to come to pass but it's the league for the immediate future and for what may be the last time, we're simply too inconsistent to properly challenge the highest reaches of the league. People will have their own thoughts and ideas but time will tell.

Post by **Bluemike** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:02 pm

It's a blip, all teams have it, yes it is a bad one from the start of the season but it really isn't as dramatic as some are making out. I do concede however that changes are needed to freshen things up, listening to Mick's comments changes are looking a strong possibility against Huddersfield.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:59 pm

Changes within our current squad.....or Changes as in bringing other players in?

ashfordblue · Post by **ashfordblue** » Tue Oct 06, 2015 2:30 pm

I would say both Liz certainly need that back 4 shaken up, lazy gits, Parr at RB must be better than Chambers getting skinned week in and week out, Drop Douglas bring in Bru, also line up with Fraser & Pitman as these two work well together, McGoldrick to start as well with Freddie, but quite honestly I don't think Micks got the guts to make wholesale changes, in case he hurts some of his favourites, I'm looking with interest as to what he does when Hyam and Bishop are available, but Mick please cut out the fooking hoofball

barmy billy · Post by **barmy billy** » Tue Oct 06, 2015 3:56 pm

ashfordblue wrote: I would say both Liz certainly need that back 4 shaken up, lazy gits, Parr at RB must be better than Chambers getting skinned week in and week out, Drop Douglas bring in Bru, also line up with Fraser & Pitman as these two work well together, McGoldrick to start as well with Freddie, but quite honestly I don't think Micks got the guts to make wholesale changes, in case he hurts some of his favourites, I'm looking with interest as to what he does when Hyam and Bishop are available, but Mick please cut out the fooking hoofball

As you say Ashford, has he got the balls?

How long has he been here now: and the hoofball is still with us. No chance.

Post by **Bluemike** » Tue Oct 06, 2015 4:56 pm

I think the changes will come from within the current squad, we have a good enough squad, I also think it is ridculous to suggest Mick doesnt have the guts or balls to do it, I bet he does, the reason he hasn't yet is because he has kept the faith with the team that came so close last season and so he should. However they continue to disappoint and the time has come to do it, whether he does them all at once remains to be seen but if it was down to me I would risk a team against Huddersfield as something like this.

.....................Gerken...................

Parr.......Malarzcyk......Chambers.....Knudsen

Oar...........Skuse...........Bru............Fraser

...............Sears..........Mcgoldrick............

Tangfastic · Post by **Tangfastic** » Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:29 pm

bluemike wrote:I think the changes will come from within the current squad, we have a good enough squad, I also think it is ridculous to suggest Mick doesnt have the guts or balls to do it, I bet he does, the reason he hasn't yet is because he has kept the faith with the team that came so close last season and so he should. However they continue to disappoint and the time has come to do it, whether he does them all at once remains to be seen but if it was down to me I would risk a team against Huddersfield as something like this.

.....................Gerken...................

Parr.......Malarzcyk......Chambers.....Knudsen

Oar...........Skuse...........Bru............Fraser

...............Sears..........Mcgoldrick............

That looks a pretty good team. But prefer Bart in goal and probably think Smith deserves to be there instead of Chambers - left foot as well.

But you mention the word 'risk'. Not sure what there is to risk?
We've dropped points , got spanked recently by Reading and have leaked goals for quite some time.... does it matter if we lose another match ?
Trying a more positive team is no risk for me.

Agree he's kept faith with players from last season's over-achievement ... but his neck is on the line more than theirs. Payback hasn't come from his loyalty.... So he needs to make a strong stance and draw a line in the sand. I would cut Chambers first... not just performances but to state that anyone, even the skipper, is not safe.

Post by **Bluemike** » Tue Oct 06, 2015 5:40 pm

Maybe risk wasn't the correct word. As for Chambers he is a must in the team for me, despite the form he is an inspirational leader and captain although as you say the right footed thing is an issue. One thing I am 100% certain of and that is MM's neck is NOT on the line and there is absolutely zero chance of him going anywhere. Of course were we to lose game after game after game and drop in to trouble that could change but as it stands this remains a blip and we are a mere 3 points off 3rd place and as such there is nothing to panic over. It looks far far worse because of the start we made and the fact we have tumbled from top spot, add that to the terrible form in the last 4 games and it is easy to see why the more inconsistent among us are getting twitchy.

The Odious Mr Rossi · Post by **The Odious Mr Rossi** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 1:23 pm

bluemike wrote:Maybe risk wasn't the correct word. As for Chambers he is a must in the team for me, despite the form he is an inspirational leader and captain although as you say the right footed thing is an issue. One thing I am 100% certain of and that is MM's neck is NOT on the line and there is absolutely zero chance of him going anywhere. Of course were we to lose game after game after game and drop in to trouble that could change but as it stands this remains a blip and we are a mere 3 points off 3rd place and as such there is nothing to panic over. It looks far far worse because of the start we made and the fact we have tumbled from top spot, add that to the terrible form in the last 4 games and it is easy to see why the more inconsistent among us are getting twitchy.

Well try as I might, I cannot make any sense of this at all.

If Chambers is such an inspirational captain, how does that explain what you concede to be 'the terrible form over the last 4 games'?

MM recently stated his desire to manage in the Premier League. I'm not convinced that if he was offered, say, the Sunderland job he would refuse it.

We're not a 'mere 3 points off third place', we're 3 points plus a considerable goal difference (Reading who are in 3rd place are 11 goals better than us) - or have the rules about goal difference determining position when points are equal been done away with this season?

As far as our 'terrible form over the last 4 weeks making the more inconsistent of us twitchy' - well I've been saying for weeks that Chambers and Berra and Smith should be dropped, and I've also voiced my feelings on MM too. So that's not being inconsistent - that's merely pointing out concerns which may not be a cause for absolute panic yet, but will soon be if our form does not change. Or, instead of inconsistent, maybe you meant 'not a very good supporter of the team'?

number 9 · Post by **number 9** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 2:22 pm

I think our bad form is more than a blip, and if it isn't remedied soon it will become a crisis. This is not the view of an inconsistent fan...it's just my observation of reality. As Rossi says, Chambers needs to be dropped...along with a few others. Question is, does MM have the balls to drop his captain? I honestly think if MM does drop Chambers...it will be a much needed kick up the arse for the rest of the team (namely Murphy!). I almost wish we would of sold Murphy now...will he ever find his form? Further, if Douglas isn't dropped then MM is having a laugh. We've got 2 attacking wingers in Fraser/AM-N...we just need the central midfielders to hold up play and feed those two the ball. AM-N definitely should not be in the center...use his bloody speed along the wings. The midfield will also need to develop a partnership with our defence if our defenders ever learn how to pass the ball without hoofing. Once that's taken care of, I'm sure the attack will take care of itself. Just my opinion, don't shoot me!

arana peligrosa · Post by **arana peligrosa** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 3:07 pm

number 9 wrote:I think our bad form is more than a blip, and if it isn't remedied soon it will become a crisis. This is not the view of an inconsistent fan...it's just my observation of reality. As Rossi says, Chambers needs to be dropped...along with a few others. Question is, does MM have the balls to drop his captain? I honestly think if MM does drop Chambers...it will be a much needed kick up the arse for the rest of the team (namely Murphy!). I almost wish we would of sold Murphy now...will he ever find his form? Further, if Douglas isn't dropped then MM is having a laugh. We've got 2 attacking wingers in Fraser/AM-N...we just need the central midfielders to hold up play and feed those two the ball. AM-N definitely should not be in the center...use his bloody speed along the wings. The midfield will also need to develop a partnership with our defence if our defenders ever learn how to pass the ball without hoofing. Once that's taken care of, I'm sure the attack will take care of itself. Just my opinion, don't shoot me!

It would only resemble a 'crisis' in so many peoples eyes. Others would remain more phlegmatic about it and see a way out of things or realize there's still enough time to achieve something. Ok it's a slight concern the way things have gone in recent weeks but it's nowhere near danger level as of yet. Murphy as stated has been disappointing since before but it's still relatively early in the season and has (some would argue) sufficient support from the other leading forwards. One problem here is that McCarthy doesn't know his best starting XI - or he does, it's just that it's invariably the wrong one or people will find fault with it.

Post by **Bluemike** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 5:44 pm

rossi wrote:
bluemike wrote:Maybe risk wasn't the correct word. As for Chambers he is a must in the team for me, despite the form he is an inspirational leader and captain although as you say the right footed thing is an issue. One thing I am 100% certain of and that is MM's neck is NOT on the line and there is absolutely zero chance of him going anywhere. Of course were we to lose game after game after game and drop in to trouble that could change but as it stands this remains a blip and we are a mere 3 points off 3rd place and as such there is nothing to panic over. It looks far far worse because of the start we made and the fact we have tumbled from top spot, add that to the terrible form in the last 4 games and it is easy to see why the more inconsistent among us are getting twitchy.
Well try as I might, I cannot make any sense of this at all.

If Chambers is such an inspirational captain, how does that explain what you concede to be 'the terrible form over the last 4 games'?

MM recently stated his desire to manage in the Premier League. I'm not convinced that if he was offered, say, the Sunderland job he would refuse it.

We're not a 'mere 3 points off third place', we're 3 points plus a considerable goal difference (Reading who are in 3rd place are 11 goals better than us) - or have the rules about goal difference determining position when points are equal been done away with this season?

As far as our 'terrible form over the last 4 weeks making the more inconsistent of us twitchy' - well I've been saying for weeks that Chambers and Berra and Smith should be dropped, and I've also voiced my feelings on MM too. So that's not being inconsistent - that's merely pointing out concerns which may not be a cause for absolute panic yet, but will soon be if our form does not change. Or, instead of inconsistent, maybe you meant 'not a very good supporter of the team'?

Chambers is an inspirational captain, only a few months ago every man and his dog was saying he was the best captain we have had for years, a loss of form over Four games doesnt change that, John Terry is about as inspirational as you can get and look at the disaster going on down there.

MM actually said he wanted to manage in the Premier league with us !!

I was talking about our league position based on points so as I said we are Three points off the team in 3rd place. GD is only relevent next April.

ashfordblue · Post by **ashfordblue** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:06 pm

Lets just see what happens against the Terriers at home, if we lose or draw this then push the panic button, also I cant see this team performing well in the premiership with Mick at the helm, play hoof ball there and we would get ripped to shreds, could only play like Watford or Palace to survive, its no good Mick having a squad of say 24 and only keep playing the same 15 all the time, it seems even you Bluemike plus many more fans know what our best team should be, but Mick doesn't seem to cotton on, no plan B when things aint going well, its got to be shaken up, as you cant have three or four players playing bad and still getting selected.

barmy billy · Post by **barmy billy** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:07 pm

The thing is Mike which is best for the team. Chambers inspiration as captain of his current failings as a player? Surely there has to be a point when his failings are considered more of a loss that his leadership qualities.

Post by **Bluemike** » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:40 pm

Billy, Chambers is a CB being told to play at RB for nearly 2 years now, last season he played every game and we nearly achieved the impossible, we also won the first 4 games this season when no-one said a bloody word about him, its all knee jerk and pan ic based on the last 4 results, I will argue it forever and a day, it hasn't been great nobody can argue that but it goes well OTT every time this happens, we pretty much have the worst fans in the country for it. Maybe people can highlight the exact errors that Chambers has made that have cost us goals cus I am finding it tough, he regularly comes up against the oppositions best player too, it seems to me Chambers and Douglas are the latest scapegoats, we win as a team and we lose as a team. As far as am concerned Chambes is one of the first on my teamsheet albeit at CB.

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