Nottingham Forest v Ipswich Town preview and matchday thread

[derick_ipsw]

You seriously think we'll beat Cardiff? And Wolves?

Yeah I do TBH, we have a super record against Cardiff and Wolves are as bad as us right now.

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Online derick_ipsw Post subject: After 8 games PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:39 am


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Location: CHESTER Last season we had 14pts and sat 7th. We have the same points this season, lets see where we are at 5 o'clock.



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Offline hallamblue Post subject: Re: After 8 games PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:46 am


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Location: Ipswich Town F.C. At a guess I suspect we will still have 14pts. League position at this point in the season is irrelevant. As the great man himself would say it's where we are in May that counts.

Good to see we are on track compared to last season. Which I presume was your point?



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Location: CHESTER hallamblue wrote:
At a guess I suspect we will still have 14pts. League position at this point in the season is irrelevant. As the great man himself would say it's where we are in May that counts.

Good to see we are on track compared to last season. Which I presume was your point?


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Offline bluemike Post subject: Re: After 8 games PostPosted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 8:55 am


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Location: Ipswich Last season we went on to win only One of the next six, drawing Four and losing once so we have every chance of improving on that I would think.

Bristol City (H)
Blackburn (A)
Huddersfield (H)
Hull (A)
Forest (A)
Cardiff (H)

I can see 3/4 wins there which would be decent.

This was your prediction for the last 5 games with 1 to go. So we wont take any notice of you then!! Not that I personally do of course.

[Bluemike]

That is the beauty of predictions, some you win, some you lose, far better to predict than to gloat about our losses after the event though don't you think ?

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

That is the beauty of predictions, some you win, some you lose, far better to predict than to gloat about our losses after the event though don't you think ?

Oh, really Mike - I have to protest at this.
I do not see any gloating in the post at all - all I can see is reference to your previous predictions and a question of, based on how wrong your last 5 results predictions were, then how valid is your all-win prediction for the next 5 games.

That's the second time in 3 weeks I've seen you post that people are gloating over our poor performances when in fact they have been doing nothing of the kind. I'm all for people having a counter argument in order to back up their opinions, but not when that counter argument is pure fiction.

[Bluemike]

Sorry if I touched a nerve again so soon after the last time. I will try harder to reel it in in future. And yes I will continue again and again and again to "out" those who gloat at our poor form / results as if it is something to use as a way of saying "I told you so" Most of us are disappointed when we lose.

[derick_ipsw]

That is the beauty of predictions, some you win, some you lose, far better to predict than to gloat about our losses after the event though don't you think ?

If you think I'm gloating, you are dafter than I thought. I would of loved your last prediction to be correct. And hope your next is (5 wins). The point was, going by your last prediction we wont take your next (5 wins ) to seriously. Are you on your monthly's again?

[Bluemike]

The last time you and the organ grinder got personal it was when I was away on my holiday which pretty much sums you up to be honest, giving it large when there is no-one to come back at you LOL, if you want to make it uncomfortable for everyone else on here then carry on with the bullshit. Personally I am more concerned at the football stuff than arguing the toss with you or anyone else for that matter but I have problem with it if that is what floats your boat.

As for being dafter than you thought, I think that should be me saying that as clearly my latest prediction is nothing more than a bit of fun which you and your mouthpiece fail to pick up on, although having said that I genuinely do believe we have a chance of doing it, there that should keep you laughing for a few days.

[Andym]

I think the point being made Marko is that for fans to keep on and on berating Gerken is tiresome, stupid, innacurate, unfair, whatever the term is and that other players are equally as culpable but just because they are "who they are" they get away with it regardless of how often they f*ck up.

Wasn't at the game but I thought Gerken had every right to go for a ball only just outside the 6 yard box. Wasn't a great punch but wasn't awful either. He is getting singled out every week, unfairly in my opinion. He's not great but in my view there is little to choose between our two keepers. I think a lot of this argument was started by Alex Mathie on Radio Suffolk who gave the impression Gerks had gone for a ball the other side of the penalty spot. I'd rather see a keeper go for the ball 6 yards out than stay rooted to his line.

To put it in perspective, no one seems to be berating the Forest defender whose poor headed clearance from a cross went straight to Parr for the Ipswich goal....

[Tangfastic]

I think the point being made Marko is that for fans to keep on and on berating Gerken is tiresome, stupid, innacurate, unfair, whatever the term is and that other players are equally as culpable but just because they are "who they are" they get away with it regardless of how often they f*ck up.

Wasn't at the game but I thought Gerken had every right to go for a ball only just outside the 6 yard box. Wasn't a great punch but wasn't awful either. He is getting singled out every week, unfairly in my opinion. He's not great but in my view there is little to choose between our two keepers. I think a lot of this argument was started by Alex Mathie on Radio Suffolk who gave the impression Gerks had gone for a ball the other side of the penalty spot. I'd rather see a keeper go for the ball 6 yards out than stay rooted to his line.

To put it in perspective, no one seems to be berating the Forest defender whose poor headed clearance from a cross went straight to Parr for the Ipswich goal....

I don't really care too much about the individual incident regarding Gerken - he pulled of some very good saves prior to that, so not going to hang the guy out to dry. Think people on his this site are not giving Gerken much sh*t - its mostly TWTD.

As you said - him and Bart are pretty much the same - so unless we start looking for a better GK then these guys will keeping on sharing the No1 shirt.

I'm more concerned about how we deal with hanging on to a lead. We can't seem to keep possession and you know the ball will spend a lot of time in our goal area. Its not a rule in football that a team chasing will have more possession and will be guaranteed a couple of chances in injury time...but it seems standard for us. It seems the ball is magnetically drawn to the opposition as soon as we enter injury time. When we're chasing a lead, better teams know how to hang on to the ball, slow down the game and 5 mins seems like 2 mins. With us - getting 6 minutes injury time on Saturday seems like an eternity. Can Mick deal with this better?
Do we need to send on an extra defender - would having more personnel on the pitch who can keep possession be a better ploy than sticking on a defensive player who will add numbers in defence?

The number of goals we concede late on needs a bit of consideration. That's down to Mick to sort out

[derick_ipsw]

The last time you and the organ grinder got personal it was when I was away on my holiday which pretty much sums you up to be honest, giving it large when there is no-one to come back at you LOL, if you want to make it uncomfortable for everyone else on here then carry on with the bullshit. Personally I am more concerned at the football stuff than arguing the toss with you or anyone else for that matter but I have problem with it if that is what floats your boat.

As for being dafter than you thought, I think that should be me saying that as clearly my latest prediction is nothing more than a bit of fun which you and your mouthpiece fail to pick up on, although having said that I genuinely do believe we have a chance of doing it, there that should keep you laughing for a few days.

And I hope your right. Try valium that might help your mood swings.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Sorry if I touched a nerve again so soon after the last time. I will try harder to reel it in in future. And yes I will continue again and again and again to "out" those who gloat at our poor form / results as if it is something to use as a way of saying "I told you so" Most of us are disappointed when we lose.

All this business about gloating - and it's only you that have accused people of gloating about poor results - but I have not personally seen any comments on this board that would suggest that anybody on here has been gloating.

Surely no member of this forum would be so weak and shallow that they would resort to this sort of thing just to try to prove their point? There is a distinct difference between somebody saying 'I told you so' and taking delight in poor results as a means of justification for critical remarks, but you don't seem to know what that difference is.

I don't think that anybody on this board has the right to publicly question or dispute another members loyalty to the club/team, and I can remember the days when on this board or any of it's predecessors one would have been banned for doing so.

As far as my post entitled 'FAO BlueMike' goes - I did not know that you were on holiday at the time I posted it, and when I was informed of that fact I posted a comment further down the thread that I would not have intentionally have posted it in your absence.
For your part, you have to realise that your accusing me of gloating about poor results did not wear well with me at all, especially as I have been supporting the team since before you were born. If I wanted to say that my opinions on the team performance/tactics etc are more right than yours (which on recent form over the last 6 or so games they are), then I would post a direct comment to that effect, I certainly would not resort to gloating about poor results to justify myself.

One of the great things about forums is they promote exchange of views and consequently some healthy arguments will develop. Nothing wrong with that at all: what is wrong is when a member uses untruths as a counter argument, and like I say I have never seen any comments on here that I would construe to be gloating at poor results, in any way shape or form.

[marko69]

Had 8 attempts to write a post regarding all this, trying to word it properly, but I feel it'll get taken the wrong way whichever way.

Not speaking for Bluemike in least, Lord knows he's big enough to talk for himself, (won't say ugly enough or he'll kick my fkn arse at the next Forfar/Hibs game) but I think it all stemmed for one preview, and it was during game time, can't remember which, but definitely an away game. Not much had been forthcoming from you Rossi at all during the week, which is totally fine, (we all have lives to live)...... But during the game, your posts were very "indirectly" (maybe) guided towards Mike as to what he'd been positive about during the week.
That, coupled with ITFC playing woefully bad began "Gloat-gate". If I could be arsed and indeed gave more than half a f*ck, I'd go seek the thread out, but sadly I don't. But I might later.

The reason I'm giving a f*ck writing this, is because it's all a bit school yardish and I personally want this forum thriving again with lots of new posters contributing including maybe 4 or 5 Phantoms. And 28+ entries to the caption contest and Charnwood having to have a Vauxhall Conference league in the prediction area because there's too many playing!

[Bluemike]

Rossi, maybe I don't make myself clear enough, everyone has an opinion, we are all entitled to one and as such I have no issue or problem with yours or anyone elses for that matter, in fact I enjoy reading them, what I have an issue with and I cannot for the life of me ignore it is that when we win there is very little comment but when we lose it is like the latest works from JK Rowling, ok maybe that is how you choose to be but I must confess I struggle with it, not just you but fans like that in general. I guess it is my weakness in as much as I can't let it go because to me it does indeed come across as gloating at our latest failure or disappointment, and to be perfectly honest it isn't just me that has said it because as recently as the start of this season other posters pulled you up on it, I won'y drag them into it but the posts are there to see.

You say my comment about "gloating" did not wear well with you and for that I maybe should apologise but equally I think it is a pretty cheap shot to even suggest in the past people have been banned blah blah blah, come on, you are no fool but that is pretty low in truth and thankfully the owners of the forum have the sense to see it. That to me is like the sad player on the pitch waving the fake Red card at the Ref to get a fellow pro sent off, pretty sad for me.

I really would like to come on here and enjoy talikng about football even if it isn't going our way right now, I really don't enjoy falling out with fellow fans every time we post stuff and to that end I will try my damndest to accept some of us see "supporting our team" different to how I see it. I genuinely have no issue with you as a person at all, I am sure you are a great guy and if we ever have that bloody beer together I expect the mutual respect would be all the more evident.

[Bluemike]

I think the point being made Marko is that for fans to keep on and on berating Gerken is tiresome, stupid, innacurate, unfair, whatever the term is and that other players are equally as culpable but just because they are "who they are" they get away with it regardless of how often they f*ck up.

Wasn't at the game but I thought Gerken had every right to go for a ball only just outside the 6 yard box. Wasn't a great punch but wasn't awful either. He is getting singled out every week, unfairly in my opinion. He's not great but in my view there is little to choose between our two keepers. I think a lot of this argument was started by Alex Mathie on Radio Suffolk who gave the impression Gerks had gone for a ball the other side of the penalty spot. I'd rather see a keeper go for the ball 6 yards out than stay rooted to his line.

To put it in perspective, no one seems to be berating the Forest defender whose poor headed clearance from a cross went straight to Parr for the Ipswich goal....

Andy, you have restored my faith in myself that I am not going totally bloody nuts, even though you werent at the game you clearly see things better than most who were there. There was a picture in the local rag the other day of Gerken punching the ball away and the bodies he had right up tight in front of him was ridiculous, the poor guy did well to get it at all and yet he is being turned into a outcast.

[Bluemike]

I think the point being made Marko is that for fans to keep on and on berating Gerken is tiresome, stupid, innacurate, unfair, whatever the term is and that other players are equally as culpable but just because they are "who they are" they get away with it regardless of how often they f*ck up.

Wasn't at the game but I thought Gerken had every right to go for a ball only just outside the 6 yard box. Wasn't a great punch but wasn't awful either. He is getting singled out every week, unfairly in my opinion. He's not great but in my view there is little to choose between our two keepers. I think a lot of this argument was started by Alex Mathie on Radio Suffolk who gave the impression Gerks had gone for a ball the other side of the penalty spot. I'd rather see a keeper go for the ball 6 yards out than stay rooted to his line.

To put it in perspective, no one seems to be berating the Forest defender whose poor headed clearance from a cross went straight to Parr for the Ipswich goal....

I don't really care too much about the individual incident regarding Gerken - he pulled of some very good saves prior to that, so not going to hang the guy out to dry. Think people on his this site are not giving Gerken much sh*t - its mostly TWTD.

As you said - him and Bart are pretty much the same - so unless we start looking for a better GK then these guys will keeping on sharing the No1 shirt.

I'm more concerned about how we deal with hanging on to a lead. We can't seem to keep possession and you know the ball will spend a lot of time in our goal area. Its not a rule in football that a team chasing will have more possession and will be guaranteed a couple of chances in injury time...but it seems standard for us. It seems the ball is magnetically drawn to the opposition as soon as we enter injury time. When we're chasing a lead, better teams know how to hang on to the ball, slow down the game and 5 mins seems like 2 mins. With us - getting 6 minutes injury time on Saturday seems like an eternity. Can Mick deal with this better?
Do we need to send on an extra defender - would having more personnel on the pitch who can keep possession be a better ploy than sticking on a defensive player who will add numbers in defence?

The number of goals we concede late on needs a bit of consideration. That's down to Mick to sort out

Tangfastic, that is a brilliant point and something I have often scratched my head over, why oh bloody why does it happen every sodding time we are ahead going into the final few minutes ? I reall cannot accept that MM instructs the boys to do this, his yelling on the touchline would indicate quite the opposite at times, but as you say it is something that really does need addressing.

[herforder]

The fact that it takes so little - real or imagined - for the usual suspects to revert to toxic exchanges is why this forum is unappealing to potential new posters; or, indeed, to those who have posted regularly in the past.

It is a great pity. Of course passions run high, of course views are strongly held and defended vigorously - sometimes even with humour - and of course we are all supposedly united by our love for a great football club. But someone browsing this forum for the first time will inevitably be drawn to the rancorous 'word of mouse' exchanges which leap out, and fail to see the other good debates that appear - which there should be much more of. Furthermore, comments such as 'it's a grown up world', or 'if you can't take it, don't read it' etc don't cut it. In the final analysis, not one word posted by anyone on here is going to make the slightest difference to the Club, MM or the players. Let's all keep a sense of perspective and respect for each other.

[marko69]

In the words of Bill Lumburgh, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with your view on the Gerken incident, Andy.

Goalkeepers, like players, can be guilty of "ball watching". Take the entire scenario back to the throw in, ....., At that point Gerken would've been tracking back, and his positioning was good, a quick glance as late as the actual cross, he'd have seen that Berra would've been on hand to deal with it, and he'd also have seen that a collision with Berra would've happened. He was ball watching, he completely flapped, punched appallingly because he was running into his own defender, effectively putting him out the picture, and the rest is history. Let's use American football terminology here......., I just Can't figure out at all how you can't see that Gerken screwed up that play! He was great, bordering awesome on numerous occasions in that game,......., but if he'd have remained just a little cooler, it would've been 3 points, guaranteed.

[Bluemike]

In the words of Bill Lumburgh, I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with your view on the Gerken incident, Andy.

Goalkeepers, like players, can be guilty of "ball watching". Take the entire scenario back to the throw in, ....., At that point Gerken would've been tracking back, and his positioning was good, a quick glance as late as the actual cross, he'd have seen that Berra would've been on hand to deal with it, and he'd also have seen that a collision with Berra would've happened. He was ball watching, he completely flapped, punched appallingly because he was running into his own defender, effectively putting him out the picture, and the rest is history. Let's use American football terminology here......., I just Can't figure out at all how you can't see that Gerken screwed up that play! He was great, bordering awesome on numerous occasions in that game,......., but if he'd have remained just a little cooler, it would've been 3 points, guaranteed.

And exactly the same comment can be used for McGoldrick & Murphy too, that is my main point in defence of Gerken because they get of scot free from criticism.

[marko69]

You are spot on, and I fully understand...... But the keeper, (who for me by the way is the hardest position on the field) will always get the most stick.

As far as ITFC are concerned, I can't comment on all the shocking striker misses because they don't show them all......., but I do read from your hymn sheet at Easter Rd. Both strikers and Oxley get equal amounts of grief.

Two weeks back, the Dumbarton second goal....... A regular guy in front of me screamed, FFS OXLEY, JUMP!........., I said, "Mate, he's not 12 foot 6!"

So I do defend them, sometimes!

[Bluemike]

Marko that really is a sigh of the times..... even speaking about a second Dumbarton goal against the once great Hibernian LOL.

[marko69]

I'm laughing at your entire post there ^^^......,

but my Jambofuckwit mate just text me and said, "Check Bluemike post, Once great Hibernian, LMAO. What the F you been telling these people!"

[Bluemike]

I'm laughing at your entire post there ^^^......,

but my Jambofuckwit mate just text me and said, "Check Bluemike post, Once great Hibernian, LMAO. What the F you been telling these people!"

LOL, come on they were great once....I just can't remember which game it was.

[marko69]

Sadly, the word "great" only applies to way before I was born. There have been glimpses of a Scottish football form of possible greatness, ie McLeish's team of 2001/02, but then that chip on my feckin shoulder, namely, The Old Firm, ruined it!

Saying that though, I'd rather play in Scottish League two and have zero history than be a Jambofkr!

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Rossi, maybe I don't make myself clear enough, everyone has an opinion, we are all entitled to one and as such I have no issue or problem with yours or anyone elses for that matter, in fact I enjoy reading them, what I have an issue with and I cannot for the life of me ignore it is that when we win there is very little comment but when we lose it is like the latest works from JK Rowling, ok maybe that is how you choose to be but I must confess I struggle with it, not just you but fans like that in general. I guess it is my weakness in as much as I can't let it go because to me it does indeed come across as gloating at our latest failure or disappointment, and to be perfectly honest it isn't just me that has said it because as recently as the start of this season other posters pulled you up on it, I won'y drag them into it but the posts are there to see.

You say my comment about "gloating" did not wear well with you and for that I maybe should apologise but equally I think it is a pretty cheap shot to even suggest in the past people have been banned blah blah blah, come on, you are no fool but that is pretty low in truth and thankfully the owners of the forum have the sense to see it. That to me is like the sad player on the pitch waving the fake Red card at the Ref to get a fellow pro sent off, pretty sad for me.

I really would like to come on here and enjoy talikng about football even if it isn't going our way right now, I really don't enjoy falling out with fellow fans every time we post stuff and to that end I will try my damndest to accept some of us see "supporting our team" different to how I see it. I genuinely have no issue with you as a person at all, I am sure you are a great guy and if we ever have that bloody beer together I expect the mutual respect would be all the more evident.

Maybe I made that comment about people previously getting banned for less a bit tongue-in-cheek - I was banned from this board years ago for having a fairly harmless spat with a moderator (he is no longer active, and hasn't been for some time).
We're obviously complete opposites - you're clearly a glass half full kind of person, and I'm clearly glass half empty. Maybe I'm like that because I'm older and have therefore developed considerably more cynicism, particularly over Ipswich. Whatever, one is no more right or wrong than the other.
But there is nothing to be gained by harbouring grudges, so let's move on.
I'm off to the Philippines next week and will not be back until the end of December, maybe we will finally be able to share a beer or two in the new year.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Tangfastic, that is a brilliant point and something I have often scratched my head over, why oh bloody why does it happen every sodding time we are ahead going into the final few minutes ? I reall cannot accept that MM instructs the boys to do this, his yelling on the touchline would indicate quite the opposite at times, but as you say it is something that really does need addressing.

I agree that it surely isn't that MM actually instructs players to sit back during the last few minutes to protect a lead or draw, but I think there may be a problem or 2.

1) Why does MM always substitute a forward with a defender or defensive midfielder in such situations, what sort of message does this action send out to the players?
2) We are nowhere near being the best passers of a ball in the division - actually our passing game is one of the worst and stats seem to back this up. Therefore we do not have much chance of defending a lead properly by tightening up the defence. I would venture to suggest that in our case the best way of protecting a non-losing situation would be to substitute like for like only, and to continue to press the game and try to score right up to the end.

[hallamblue]

If the strikers were to start hitting the back of the net instead if blasting over from 2 yards out we'd not have to worry so much about hanging on. The defence is slow, lacks confidence in its GK and time on the ball, so hoofs the thing at every given opportunity. The midfield is devoid of creativity due to injury initially and now a reluctance to change from the ineffective Sluse: Douglas partnership. The strikers at present also lack confidence largely due to having to feed off titbits of service from midfield and can't hit an elephants arse with a banjo.

Round pegs in round holes. Drop the out of form players and bring in the creative players. Then we might start seeing some football and picking up 3 pts again.

[marko69]

Feel free to call me a total wimp but I wouldn't be going anywhere near an elephants erse wi a banjo.

[hallamblue]

Wimp!

[marko69]

+ Y = Wimpy.

C H E E S E B U R G E R S !!!!!

[Andym]

Tangfastic, that is a brilliant point and something I have often scratched my head over, why oh bloody why does it happen every sodding time we are ahead going into the final few minutes ? I reall cannot accept that MM instructs the boys to do this, his yelling on the touchline would indicate quite the opposite at times, but as you say it is something that really does need addressing.

I agree that it surely isn't that MM actually instructs players to sit back during the last few minutes to protect a lead or draw, but I think there may be a problem or 2.

1) Why does MM always substitute a forward with a defender or defensive midfielder in such situations, what sort of message does this action send out to the players?
2) We are nowhere near being the best passers of a ball in the division - actually our passing game is one of the worst and stats seem to back this up. Therefore we do not have much chance of defending a lead properly by tightening up the defence. I would venture to suggest that in our case the best way of protecting a non-losing situation would be to substitute like for like only, and to continue to press the game and try to score right up to the end.

I agree completely. It is our inability to pass and therefore keep possession that causes problems when we try to defend. It is still beyond my grasp how we can have an entire team incapable of passing.

[hallamblue]

+ Y = Wimpy.

C H E E S E B U R G E R S !!!!!

LOL = kcal = Fat