Is it time to move on?

[arana peligrosa]

People requested names right ? All right try these for size :

Holloway, Pardew, Bruce, Ted Howe. Even thought as something outlandish we could go for Dalglish but people wouldn't have it. (Won't happen / Can't happen ? : Seem to remember some fellow here called Roy Keane a few years ago, must have been a dream..)

You got some names in the above who have been successful at their respective clubs, have years of managerial experience (don't want some recently retired ex-player with limited knowledge outside of playing) and would I give them a chance over McCarthy ? Yes for sure, trouble is it isn't going to happen. It's only a scenario of what could be, there's no harm in making suggestion.

Someone mentioned Jackett, and while it's another name to consider, if you narrowed it down to one or two options I would favor Howe or Holloway. Dalglish would be a great capture, but it's unlikely to ever go ahead.

[nicscreamer]

Bruce, Pardew, Jackett are all currently employed. Why would they move to Ipswich? At least put forward some sensible options.

Holloway has had his day. He may have once had "it" but I fear that is long gone and he is certainly no better than MM. Look at his monumental failure at Millwall!

Dalgleish? Seriously? Another has been that has been out of the game so long its getting ridiculous.!

You might as well suggest George Burley again.

[marko69]

Seem to remember some fellow here called Roy Keane a few years ago, must have been a dream.

A f**king nightmare more like.

[derick_ipsw]

People requested names right ? All right try these for size :

Holloway, Pardew, Bruce, Ted Howe. Even thought as something outlandish we could go for Dalglish but people wouldn't have it. (Won't happen / Can't happen ? : Seem to remember some fellow here called Roy Keane a few years ago, must have been a dream..)

You got some names in the above who have been successful at their respective clubs, have years of managerial experience (don't want some recently retired ex-player with limited knowledge outside of playing) and would I give them a chance over McCarthy ? Yes for sure, trouble is it isn't going to happen. It's only a scenario of what could be, there's no harm in making suggestion.

Someone mentioned Jackett, and while it's another name to consider, if you narrowed it down to one or two options I would favor Howe or Holloway. Dalglish would be a great capture, but it's unlikely to ever go ahead.

Who the F**K is TED HOWE?

[marko69]

He meant Ted Heath.

[jimmyt]

He meant Ted Heath.

Ted on a heath, in Hampstead.............

[trimleyblue]

Eddie Howe

[Tangfastic]

Ok... so if this thread has proven that we're better of with Mick..... what should he being doing better?

If there has been a Mick Out campaign.... it's pretty luke-warm and not of the ground yet anyway.... so how can Mick lift us... or is it a case of doing the hard yards and slogging it out through the season and hope we sniff a play-off place.... Or we just accept whatever (poor results, bad football) if that what it takes to prove we're true football fans?

I don't want Mick out because we still owe him, but I still think he could be doing a better job at the moment. Wouldn't want him to just accept mid table is ok.... and fans shouldn't too. It's good being realistic and understanding the situation... but however much a fan wants to prove what an uber-fan they are and seemingly enjoy the reality of tough, uncompromising Championship football... it would be nice to have a little bit of ambition and want that little bit more.

[marko69]

Well put, Tang.

I ask the same thing, Trimleyblue. "Eddie, How the hell did you get Bournemouth promoted?"

[Bluemike]

Ok... so if this thread has proven that we're better of with Mick..... what should he being doing better?

If there has been a Mick Out campaign.... it's pretty luke-warm and not of the ground yet anyway.... so how can Mick lift us... or is it a case of doing the hard yards and slogging it out through the season and hope we sniff a play-off place.... Or we just accept whatever (poor results, bad football) if that what it takes to prove we're true football fans?

I don't want Mick out because we still owe him, but I still think he could be doing a better job at the moment. Wouldn't want him to just accept mid table is ok.... and fans shouldn't too. It's good being realistic and understanding the situation... but however much a fan wants to prove what an uber-fan they are and seemingly enjoy the reality of tough, uncompromising Championship football... it would be nice to have a little bit of ambition and want that little bit more.

There has been a kind poor man's Mick out campaign and the reason it is so luke warm is because it is bloody ridiculous, yes everyone has an opinion and mine is that if people seriously think this is time for change they are in need of help.

I genuinely don't think MM has to anything differently to lift us at all, what he needs is a bit of a brerak with injuries and for One or two key players to get back up to their best, the signs are starting to appear that it is already happening, Murphy looked far better Tuesday night as did Chambers. What makes you think it would even be an option for MM to accept mid table obscurity ? He didn't last season and has no reason on earth to do so this season, I don't quite know what he is doing that isn't acceptable right now, what are you referring to ?

I know people don't want to hear it but if we finish even remotely close to the play offs again this season he will have done wonders given what deck of cards he has at his disposal in comparison to the likes of Hull, Boro, Burnley, Derby, QPR, Fulham, Sheff Wed, etc etc, and for what it's worth I believe we won't be far away at all, it is great to have the ambition we all crave but last time we nearly died as a club, this time around we have people at the helm who know how to run a business and not go bust.

[ashfordblue]

He meant Ted Heath.

Who's a silly billy lol

[arana peligrosa]

Bruce, Pardew, Jackett are all currently employed. Why would they move to Ipswich? At least put forward some sensible options.

Holloway has had his day. He may have once had "it" but I fear that is long gone and he is certainly no better than MM. Look at his monumental failure at Millwall!

Dalgleish? Seriously? Another has been that has been out of the game so long its getting ridiculous.!

You might as well suggest George Burley again.

Why would any manager leave one job for another ? They want a new challenge ? They feel they have taken their team as far as they are able ? Change of scene ? They believe they can do better employed elsewhere ?

They are sensible options. But once again this is only an area for some minor debate, it's not as if anything if going to directly occur. Going to elaborate quickly for choice of options.

Steve Bruce : Has nearly 20 years of managerial experience, recognized name, could he do a worse job than McCarthy ? Would it do any harm to give him a try and see what occurs ? Ok he has Norwich connections and wouldn't be a favorite name among some of our support : it's a pity, but would be prepared to overlook it only in order to see what could be achieved.

Alan Pardew : Another name that possesses sufficient experience. Took West Ham into the EPL (at our expense on route), and an FA Cup Final with it. (They very nearly won it on the day). It hasn't been all one-way traffic, but no shame in giving a mention. At least he's actually proven to be successful.

Kenny Jackett : Believe he was responsible for a promotion at Millwall but not 100 per cent on it. Still has experience at several clubs and has come to the fore in recent years.

Ted (Eddie) Howe : Caused a sensation by taking Bournemouth into the EPL when no-one outside of Dorset saw it coming. One of the up and comers, a name for future consideration. (If not already now)

Ian Holloway : Sure he took Blackpool into the premier league, which at the time was a marvellous achievement for what these days is a largely unrecognized team. (People won't recall Mortensen, Perry etc). Colorful individual, not short of motivation.

Kenny Dalglish : This one is the most questionable but as before, if Keane can arrive at Ipswich then all things are possible. Won the EPL with Blackburn, sh*t load of managerial experience, took Liverpool to two domestics finals very recently before Suarez was responsible for the one-man success. Would for sure put rears on seats if we could bring him in, but in truth the chances are slim at best. How long has he been out of the game, what 2 or 3 years now. It's not in the realms of impossibility he could make a return somewhere.

And no wouldn't want George back either. What he did here 15 - 20 years ago was a great achievement, but the odds on replicating those achievements ? Days best left behind : they wont return under that name.

[marko69]

Blocked, so ok to say this......, you don't half talk some utter f**king bollocks. Kenny Dalglish? And (if that non starter ever happened) you think Dalglish would do a better job than Burley?
Unreal.

[derick_ipsw]

Blocked, so ok to say this......, you don't half talk some utter f**king bollocks. Kenny Dalglish? And (if that non starter ever happened) you think Dalglish would do a better job than Burley?
Unreal.

I wish you would stop sitting on the fence and say what you really mean!!

[Charnwood]

I must admit seeing Kenny Dalglish's name on the list does seem a little bizarre, why on earth would a multi millionaire director of Liverpool FC with so many interests in the Liverpool area have any interest in Managing at Ipswich Town. Whilst Marko's comments are a tad brutal, FFS SJ, what planet are you on.

Now "looking outside the box", had you said Glen Hoddle who's always said he will return to management at some time in the future then maybe his name would be plausible, but even then would he manage outside the Premier League, unlikely I would think especially given how close he was to going back to Spurs as recent as 2014.

Bruce & Pardew will always find work in the Prem and are unlikely to step down and to be honest Jackett and Holloway in my opinion are no better than who we have in situ which all leads to staying "as is" for the time being at least.

[Tangfastic]

Ok... so if this thread has proven that we're better of with Mick..... what should he being doing better?

If there has been a Mick Out campaign.... it's pretty luke-warm and not of the ground yet anyway.... so how can Mick lift us... or is it a case of doing the hard yards and slogging it out through the season and hope we sniff a play-off place.... Or we just accept whatever (poor results, bad football) if that what it takes to prove we're true football fans?

I don't want Mick out because we still owe him, but I still think he could be doing a better job at the moment. Wouldn't want him to just accept mid table is ok.... and fans shouldn't too. It's good being realistic and understanding the situation... but however much a fan wants to prove what an uber-fan they are and seemingly enjoy the reality of tough, uncompromising Championship football... it would be nice to have a little bit of ambition and want that little bit more.

There has been a kind poor man's Mick out campaign and the reason it is so luke warm is because it is bloody ridiculous, yes everyone has an opinion and mine is that if people seriously think this is time for change they are in need of help.

I genuinely don't think MM has to anything differently to lift us at all, what he needs is a bit of a brerak with injuries and for One or two key players to get back up to their best, the signs are starting to appear that it is already happening, Murphy looked far better Tuesday night as did Chambers. What makes you think it would even be an option for MM to accept mid table obscurity ? He didn't last season and has no reason on earth to do so this season, I don't quite know what he is doing that isn't acceptable right now, what are you referring to ?

I know people don't want to hear it but if we finish even remotely close to the play offs again this season he will have done wonders given what deck of cards he has at his disposal in comparison to the likes of Hull, Boro, Burnley, Derby, QPR, Fulham, Sheff Wed, etc etc, and for what it's worth I believe we won't be far away at all, it is great to have the ambition we all crave but last time we nearly died as a club, this time around we have people at the helm who know how to run a business and not go bust.

I'm not in the Mick Out brigade. Doesn't mean I think he's the best thing since sliced bread. I can't think of a better manager in hindsight to bring in 3 years ago. Stabilised the club, got us out of relegation zone, got rid of bad apples, brought in players with character... and amazingly managed to get us in top six. We owe him.....
I'm hearing that we shouldn't expect anything with lack of resources. Ok... but we've under-performed against poorer teams and the style of football is poor. If we lose to a poor club it's 'any team can lose to anyone '? If we lose to a top side... 'what do you expect' ?

Is it wrong to ask a bit more? We know we have issues at full back and CM.... we have strikers mis-firing.... Experienced players hoofing the ball.... leaking crucial goals in injury time... That's down to MM & TC... same as its down to them that they've been successful from turning things around and should - and have- receive major credit.

This isn't a black / white argument .... anyone who says he is crap isn't looking at the big picture but anyone who thinks he is perfect and can't do anymore is maybe being a bit defensive towards Mick. However well he's done so far, he's still got to improve the side. If money is an issue....he should start getting on to ME. Not looking to waste millions like Keane and others did, but if Mick has proven he's a solid, trustworthy sort.... ME should back him up.

[Bluemike]

Don't get me wrong, I am certainly not saying we shouldn't expect anything through lack of resources, I am expecting a repeat of last season, or at the very least damn close to it, yes we have underachieved against weaker sides but it is a fact that every team does at some time or another, Derby got turned over last night by a Forest side that haven't been able to buy a win so as such we did better than derby did at Forest, Burnley sit second, we did them comfortably 2-0 down here so in theory Burnley got stuffed by a weaker side, Middlesbrough lost at cardiff and at home to Bristol City, again we did better in both fixtures than Boro, the list goes on but you get my point.

Nothing is won or lost in November, the season is still in its infancy, it is a marathon and we are only just warming up to it, all teams will at some point have a bad run, hopefully this is ours out of the way, of course we will lose games again but even in this dark run we haven't lost many and the draws we did pick up could be crucial come the end.

As for the quality of the football, that is a different discussion because we all knew what we would get under MM and that will never change so we either go to watch and support it or we don't, if I go to a restaurant and hate it I don't go back, it's that simple. It is rtue that our strikers have hit a sticky spell, particularly Murphy but again there were signs of improvement over the last couple of games, as to the CM issue, lets not forget we have had Teddy Bishop out all season, Luke Hyam out all season, Kevin Bru missed a fair chunk of the season too so that is some handicap to have to deal with, we have had some rough luck so far and I think we aren't too bad off considering.

As for spending money, why spend it when you can get players of the ilk of Ryan Fraser on a full season, Pitman for nothing ? AMN & Knudsen for sod all, granted the last two aren't world beaters but that is the level we are at where signings are concerned. I see teams spending 20 or 30 million more than that to be a couple of points better off, that really is some gamble and most will fail to achieve any more than us. These teams have not be in admin, or at least most of them haven't, we have and we got through it, I really don't think we would be allowed to do it again without far more serious repurcussions.

[goldandblack]

Don't get me wrong, I am certainly not saying we shouldn't expect anything through lack of resources, I am expecting a repeat of last season, or at the very least damn close to it, yes we have underachieved against weaker sides but it is a fact that every team does at some time or another, Derby got turned over last night by a Forest side that haven't been able to buy a win so as such we did better than derby did at Forest, Burnley sit second, we did them comfortably 2-0 down here so in theory Burnley got stuffed by a weaker side, Middlesbrough lost at cardiff and at home to Bristol City, again we did better in both fixtures than Boro, the list goes on but you get my point.

Nothing is won or lost in November, the season is still in its infancy, it is a marathon and we are only just warming up to it, all teams will at some point have a bad run, hopefully this is ours out of the way, of course we will lose games again but even in this dark run we haven't lost many and the draws we did pick up could be crucial come the end.

As for the quality of the football, that is a different discussion because we all knew what we would get under MM and that will never change so we either go to watch and support it or we don't, if I go to a restaurant and hate it I don't go back, it's that simple. It is rtue that our strikers have hit a sticky spell, particularly Murphy but again there were signs of improvement over the last couple of games, as to the CM issue, lets not forget we have had Teddy Bishop out all season, Luke Hyam out all season, Kevin Bru missed a fair chunk of the season too so that is some handicap to have to deal with, we have had some rough luck so far and I think we aren't too bad off considering.

As for spending money, why spend it when you can get players of the ilk of Ryan Fraser on a full season, Pitman for nothing ? AMN & Knudsen for sod all, granted the last two aren't world beaters but that is the level we are at where signings are concerned. I see teams spending 20 or 30 million more than that to be a couple of points better off, that really is some gamble and most will fail to achieve any more than us. These teams have not be in admin, or at least most of them haven't, we have and we got through it, I really don't think we would be allowed to do it again without far more serious repurcussions.

Mike, I think todays result answered most MM doubters on here. Nice One ITFC and MM..as Mick always say's "judge him at the end of each season."

[Charnwood]

To be honest when you look around at the realistic options currently known to be available we're probably best to stick with what we have. I'm sure there will be some other options "off the radar" but at least with MM we know we're in the hands of "experience" which is known to be a more than valuable asset in this League.

I know one swallow doesn't make a summer, but a couple of wins doesn't half change the "feel factor" and looking at the next couple of games another 6 points isn't an impossibility.... albeit unlikely.

Keep the faith, we're in safe hands I think is the general consensus.

[Tangfastic]

To be honest when you look around at the realistic options currently known to be available we're probably best to stick with what we have. I'm sure there will be some other options "off the radar" but at least with MM we know we're in the hands of "experience" which is known to be a more than valuable asset in this League.

I know one swallow doesn't make a summer, but a couple of wins doesn't half change the "feel factor" and looking at the next couple of games another 6 points isn't an impossibility.... albeit unlikely.

Keep the faith, we're in safe hands I think is the general consensus.

Not sure how serious the argument is or was to change manager..... Definite discontent there based on previous 10 games or so and justifiable discontent to an extent, but can't see Micks job really being in danger.

2 wins and mood has changed. Murphy getting a hat-trick is fantastic and seem to have stumbled on a better formation. Looking forward to playing better opposition to see if we can take this 'form' into next games and really compete.
I know Bolton and Rotherham are poor.... but we did what we should be doing .... beating them convincingly and showing we are a class above them.
There will be bad results but as long as we go into games trying to play football and back ourselves.
I think it's not a bad thing to ship those two goals.... Doesn't paper over cracks that we can leak goals and it didn't hurt us. Those goals got us edgy and tweaked Mick's sphincter so that might keep us honest.... and we scored again which is the best way to see out a game.

Not getting too excited yet, but winning well in back to back victories puts a nice perspective on things and really hope the players enjoy the feeling and take this into next game.

[marko69]

Tang......, "Micks sphincter"?

Sitting reading this whilst eating NUTELLA on toast.

In the fking bin it goes.

[Tangfastic]

Tang......, "Micks sphincter"?

Sitting reading this whilst eating NUTELLA on toast.

In the fking bin it goes.

Well you're lucky ... coz there's a few fans stuck up his sphincter and had to make a hasty retreat.

Only joking ... the only area of his body needs rubbing was his head... he rubbed it well to make a point with Murphys hattrick.

Bless Mick... had a few tough weeks and he's enjoying himself now. Tough old season.

[Charnwood]

To be honest I don't think there was ever a serious argument to change the manager but just enough unrest and poor results to make a reasonable debate and meaningful discussion which surely is the main purpose of a forum.

It's probably one of those topics that can come and go as and when results dictate, after all like it of not football is a results driven business.

[goldandblack]

To be honest I don't think there was ever a serious argument to change the manager but just enough unrest and poor results to make a reasonable debate and meaningful discussion which surely is the main purpose of a forum.

It's probably one of those topics that can come and go as and when results dictate, after all like it of not football is a results driven business.

and getting your form back just in time for our visit..

[number 9]

Tang......, "Micks sphincter"?

Sitting reading this whilst eating NUTELLA on toast.

In the fking bin it goes.

PMSL! Well I think we can all agree, please please no more MM's sphincter talk lol! MM's sphincter OUT!!

[Bluemike]

To be honest I don't think there was ever a serious argument to change the manager but just enough unrest and poor results to make a reasonable debate and meaningful discussion which surely is the main purpose of a forum.

It's probably one of those topics that can come and go as and when results dictate, after all like it of not football is a results driven business.

There was definitley a few calling for change, they are pretty quiet at this moment in time, unsurprisingly.

[Charnwood]

To be honest I don't think there was ever a serious argument to change the manager but just enough unrest and poor results to make a reasonable debate and meaningful discussion which surely is the main purpose of a forum.

It's probably one of those topics that can come and go as and when results dictate, after all like it of not football is a results driven business.

There was definitley a few calling for change, they are pretty quiet at this moment in time, unsurprisingly.

Or, gone on holiday.

[Bluemike]

To be honest I don't think there was ever a serious argument to change the manager but just enough unrest and poor results to make a reasonable debate and meaningful discussion which surely is the main purpose of a forum.

It's probably one of those topics that can come and go as and when results dictate, after all like it of not football is a results driven business.

There was definitley a few calling for change, they are pretty quiet at this moment in time, unsurprisingly.

Or, gone on holiday.

In fairness it wasn't just Rossi, he had that view from the off.

[number 9]

In fairness it wasn't just Rossi, he had that view from the off.

In fairness, we did have a shyte run. Of course, two wins against two of the bottom clubs hasn't saved the season. It's just good to see us firing on all cylinders again. COYB!