Interesting Discussion

[Shed on tour]

On the Sunday Supplement on Sky this morning.
They actually talked about the Championship (I know shock, horror!) and were discussing the recent sackings of managers in the Championship. One of the reporters said that Watford getting promoted last year after getting rid of 4 managers in 10 months hasn't helped the situation as no doubt some clubs now think that having a quick turnover of managers can still lead to success.

[marko69]

It's one of those things that will work eventually I think, and it's currently working for Watford. They sit 11th in the EPL, 8pts above the relegation zone.

The law of averages will say that if there is cash available and plenty of effort made, you just cannot continue failing. Watford's idea of effort was getting the right man in to run the show and they recognised numptys early. I firmly believe that if the Udinese owners had bought Leeds United, they'd also be back in the EPL.

[Shed on tour]

It's one of those things that will work eventually I think, and it's currently working for Watford. They sit 11th in the EPL, 8pts above the relegation zone.

The law of averages will say that if there is cash available and plenty of effort made, you just cannot continue failing. Watford's idea of effort was getting the right man in to run the show and they recognised numptys early. I firmly believe that if the Udinese owners had bought Leeds United, they'd also be back in the EPL.

Regarding recognising numptys early could this have been one of the mistakes that Evans made regarding ITFC in the case of the Dark Lord and Jewell?

I know we are a club who like to give managers time but was it a case with those two that they were in fact given too much time which nearly lead to us dropping further down the leagues?

Thoughts people.

[trimleyblue]

Hindsight is always 20:20

[Charnwood]

To be honest I think we're we went wrong was when we replaced Joe Royle with the inexperienced Jim Magilton. Had we appointed Mick McCarthy then I don't think we'd have continued in decline. Mick was of course available having been sacked by Sunderland on 6 March two months before we appointed Jim which was a month earlier than Mick McCarthy took over at Wolves.

Given our proven loyalty to Managers, had we appointed McCarthy then he could by now have been here for 9 yrs and the Magilton, Keane & Jewell era might never have happened.

Personally I'd much prefer to have consistency of management, however there's no better example of hiring and firing bringing success than Leicester City who've had 14 Permanent Managers and a string of temporary managers over the past 15 yrs.

Over the same period we've had just six managers in post.

[Shed on tour]

Hindsight is always 20:20

I agree that everything is easy in hindsight. However, whilst the majority would agree that to keep changing manager on a regular basis is not a good policy is there also a case of keeping a manager on in the hope that things might eventually change for the better is just as bad?

If you take our feathered friends up the road for example, when they lost 7-1 at home to Colchester on the opening day of the season when in league 1 they made the decision there and then that something needed to be done. In your opinion do you think if ITFC had been in that situation would they have made the same decision?

[Charnwood]

Hindsight is always 20:20

I agree that everything is easy in hindsight. However, whilst the majority would agree that to keep changing manager on a regular basis is not a good policy is there also a case of keeping a manager on in the hope that things might eventually change for the better is just as bad?

If you take our feathered friends up the road for example, when they lost 7-1 at home to Colchester on the opening day of the season when in league 1 they made the decision there and then that something needed to be done. In your opinion do you think if ITFC had been in that situation would they have made the same decision?

Definitely not... 100% guaranteed.

[marko69]

In Watfords case, it's the Italian thing. First sign of things going paps up, they change things. May be a bad idea, maybe not, but it's worked for them. As it did for Norwich. Worked out textbook style for Norwich with a double promotion!

One of the most frustrating things as a supporter of a football club is being unhappy with the manager. And I can fully understand how Rossi feels. Not because of Mick, (I'm ok with Mick) but when Hibs had Bobby Williamson in charge many years ago. When I heard people defending Bobby in the stands, I wanted to physically punch their lights out. These were people who didn't know what they were talking about, voicing stupid opinions about the club I've "supported" since I was a young boy. I remember one guy getting annoyed at Pittodrie saying, "Give him until Christmas FFS!"....., red mist came down for me, but luckily, (for me) some other guy went absolutely nuts and it became a sizeable brawl amongst the fans. Differing opinions amongst fans can become quite a serious situation at some clubs, (well it certainly does in Scotland, and Hibs)

Not that people like Rossi want to go punching people, but I can fully understand his frustration if he is THAT unhappy with Mick.

To answer your other question, Shed....,, for me, RK was given far too much time at the club. The very signing of Tampax FannySkin should've lost him his job.

[number 9]

Another interesting aspect of the Keane/Jewell debacle, is that ME waited for their resignations...ME didn't sack them. I'm sure neither Keane nor Jewell would have lasted much longer than they did, but it puts things in perspective as far as how ME thinks. As far as changing managers frequently, I think Jewell is a perfect example of what can happen. He almost got us relegated. Of course football is a results based business, and imo if MM ever steered us towards relegation ME and the board would have no choice but to act. Changing managers doesn't guarantee success though.

[arana peligrosa]

Another interesting aspect of the Keane/Jewell debacle, is that ME waited for their resignations...ME didn't sack them. I'm sure neither Keane nor Jewell would have lasted much longer than they did, but it puts things in perspective as far as how ME thinks. As far as changing managers frequently, I think Jewell is a perfect example of what can happen. He almost got us relegated. Of course football is a results based business, and imo if MM ever steered us towards relegation ME and the board would have no choice but to act. Changing managers doesn't guarantee success though.

Evans must have been just as much aware as the next Town fan the lack of progress there was with Roy Keane and Jewell and to sit back and expect a resignation ? Not really good enough. Can imagine both names were on a tidy sum here and regardless of how badly they were doing, unless you're really forced out are you going to give up a good salary and go back to the welfare line ? I would have kicked both names out of the club long before they decided to go their separate ways, it was evident no progress was being made with either individual. Don't believe we even forcibly removed a manager until John Duncan in the 80's so termination of contract isn't all that familiar at this club but still action should have been taken at the times in question before the rot was allowed to continue.

Of course change of managers doesn't guarantee a success. Over at Blackburn now they're just about ready to appoint Paul Lambert as new team manager, just awaiting confirmation. Point being we know and sadly acknowledge the fact he was a proven success at Norwich City (and has failed to duplicate that success at subsequent clubs) so as with everything else, they'll take a gamble and see if it pays off. Despite his previous connections, wish him well with this latest endeavor.

[Tangfastic]

Another interesting aspect of the Keane/Jewell debacle, is that ME waited for their resignations...ME didn't sack them. I'm sure neither Keane nor Jewell would have lasted much longer than they did, but it puts things in perspective as far as how ME thinks. As far as changing managers frequently, I think Jewell is a perfect example of what can happen. He almost got us relegated. Of course football is a results based business, and imo if MM ever steered us towards relegation ME and the board would have no choice but to act. Changing managers doesn't guarantee success though.

Evans must have been just as much aware as the next Town fan the lack of progress there was with Roy Keane and Jewell and to sit back and expect a resignation ? Not really good enough. Can imagine both names were on a tidy sum here and regardless of how badly they were doing, unless you're really forced out are you going to give up a good salary and go back to the welfare line ? I would have kicked both names out of the club long before they decided to go their separate ways, it was evident no progress was being made with either individual. Don't believe we even forcibly removed a manager until John Duncan in the 80's so termination of contract isn't all that familiar at this club but still action should have been taken at the times in question before the rot was allowed to continue.

Of course change of managers doesn't guarantee a success. Over at Blackburn now they're just about ready to appoint Paul Lambert as new team manager, just awaiting confirmation. Point being we know and sadly acknowledge the fact he was a proven success at Norwich City (and has failed to duplicate that success at subsequent clubs) so as with everything else, they'll take a gamble and see if it pays off. Despite his previous connections, wish him well with this latest endeavor.

Managerial positions ... who knows?

Mick's a top class manager....he's proven it.

Could not have asked for a better manager to stop our clu.b being a circus act and to be a stable club.

Can he take us forward?


Style of football is sh*t, but is that down to who we get in the club or down to Mick's vision of football?
I have no problem with mid-table football as long as we don't turn up with same team with attitude that we might just get lucky or win against an out of form team. Love to see we have a positive team to play football and win matches.... and losing is an option.