were we lucky getting ramsey,mcgarry,lyall and to some extent royle and burley.the difference being evans a successful business man hasnt a clue about footballMr.Punch wrote:I'm an ITFC optimist but even I'm struggling at the moment.
MM has often said he can't buy better than he's got, despite having money to spend, whilst saying that the top clubs have millions. This can only mean that the money available is simply not enough to buy quality. Are we tied by FFP or ME or simply because we haven't had any parachute payments in living memory?
I tend to go along with those who consider MM the best current option but Portman Road is hardly thrill a minute just now.
Wise people in football have warned us 'be careful what you wish for'. Changing MM or ME is like the in/out of Europe debate, it's a risk either way.
Money aside, Luck is everything's in football, Naridge stumbled on Lambert and then Neill, we got lucky with Robson - hopefully we'll get lucky again.
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Evans may be some level of savior regards stability but would it be fair to say he's put the club back several years. I can't recall when exactly he took over from Sheepshanks but guessing he would have overseen the previous tenures of say Keane, Jewell, possibly Magilton also.
Could be looking at the best part of ten years, and what do we have to show for that time ? One play-off finish for the first time in a decade (comprehensively beaten by Norwich) and more often than not, mid-table finishes or flirting with the idea of a top six finish, where we eventually miss out.
Thing is we're often so quick to ridicule the manager when things don't go our way or not meeting expectations that we often overlook those in higher authority (i.e. the chairman himself). Say again, the idea of McCarthy remaining in position for another two or three years is something of a concern, and even if we were to see him depart, and Evans found a replacement, would the owner spend any more money with a new name to strengthen the squad ? Making significant changes to personnel is always a risk, but for the good of the club, something needs to be done sooner or later.
Either stick with what we got and maintain the current deficiencies, or take a chance and hope for improvement.
Could be looking at the best part of ten years, and what do we have to show for that time ? One play-off finish for the first time in a decade (comprehensively beaten by Norwich) and more often than not, mid-table finishes or flirting with the idea of a top six finish, where we eventually miss out.
Thing is we're often so quick to ridicule the manager when things don't go our way or not meeting expectations that we often overlook those in higher authority (i.e. the chairman himself). Say again, the idea of McCarthy remaining in position for another two or three years is something of a concern, and even if we were to see him depart, and Evans found a replacement, would the owner spend any more money with a new name to strengthen the squad ? Making significant changes to personnel is always a risk, but for the good of the club, something needs to be done sooner or later.
Either stick with what we got and maintain the current deficiencies, or take a chance and hope for improvement.
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With all due respect to you, Mach......, what about all the posts and threads about funds being available to Mick, but Mick didn't want it and was happy with his squad? Or is that all just utter Shyte? I may be wrong, but I'm guessing this is where Barmy Billy is coming from with his post about Mevans' policies. Maybe I've been in a coma as well because I'm not quite sure about your all out dislike for Mevans? Were funds for players available for players or not? Or is it the fans fault for blowing wind & pish when they feel like it?Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:Have you been in the coma in the last 2-3 years? Because your question about Evans' policy is really odd.
You think it's all Micks fault. Yet you have no answer about who could do better than him in these circumstances. I repeat my question: imagine Mick goes who do you think would make us better with no financial backing?
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The 'funds' available to MM were sufficient to bring in a number of freebies, loans and out of contract low-cost players. Ian Milne stated at the start of the season that we would remain 'competitive' in terms of wages and fees, but there would be no capital outlay. And that is exactly what has happened. Sadly, however, a number of acquisitions under that policy (Stewart, Henshalll, Parr, Oar and others) have not fulfilled MM's expectations and been flung out of the balloon. An argument exists for less, but better.
There have been no media declarations to suggest that this strategy has, or will, change. From a business perspective, and in terms of needing to keep supporters on side, that's probably understandable. ME's other business interests have to make a cash profit of around £6M annually in order to subsidise ITFC. Calling for some sort of visionary forward policy is, therefore, wishful thinking. The policy is the here and now, and is unlikely to change much until ME pulls up his earth spike and sells up. Sad, but true!
There have been no media declarations to suggest that this strategy has, or will, change. From a business perspective, and in terms of needing to keep supporters on side, that's probably understandable. ME's other business interests have to make a cash profit of around £6M annually in order to subsidise ITFC. Calling for some sort of visionary forward policy is, therefore, wishful thinking. The policy is the here and now, and is unlikely to change much until ME pulls up his earth spike and sells up. Sad, but true!
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Right, ok then. Mevans the F out.herforder wrote:ME's other business interests have to make a cash profit of around £6M annually in order to subsidise ITFC. Calling for some sort of visionary forward policy is, therefore, wishful thinking. The policy is the here and now, and is unlikely to change much until ME pulls up his earth spike and sells up. Sad, but true!
The club need a takeover, "Man City" style.
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Tell you what....... Even when your beloved club are stroking the ball about like Barca, creating chance after chance after chance, corners, hitting the woodwork several times......, they can still be humped 3-0 at home! Unbelievable.
But please, support your club........, don't be like the fkn pathetic losers at Easter Road Stadium last night leaving in the 62nd minute. The same losers who'll be whinging their effin faces off if they can't get a league cup final ticket. ARSEHOLES!!!!
'MON THE CABBAGE & RIBS.
But please, support your club........, don't be like the fkn pathetic losers at Easter Road Stadium last night leaving in the 62nd minute. The same losers who'll be whinging their effin faces off if they can't get a league cup final ticket. ARSEHOLES!!!!
'MON THE CABBAGE & RIBS.
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I'm sorry you think my question odd and are not prepared to give me an answer.Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:Have you been in the coma in the last 2-3 years? Because your question about Evans' policy is really odd.
You think it's all Micks fault. Yet you have no answer about who could do better than him in these circumstances. I repeat my question: imagine Mick goes who do you think would make us better with no financial backing?
With regard to MM, I do not accept that he is irreplaceable at present. To accept that he is the best available to us is to me both blinkered and defeatist and as I had said previously, will lead to stagnation followed by a downward spiral. We may even be on that road already. I do not profess know enough about football management to put me in a position to name a suitable replacement, but I certainly do not go along with the theory that MM is the best we can get. I'm sure that professional head hunters would be able to present Mr Evans with a shortlist if requested.
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Keep. Without a shadow of doubt. We won't get anyone who can do better with the same budget restrictions. We may get 'better football' with somebody else but I really don't think we'd be able to stay as competitive in this league than we can with Mick.
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The extremely annoying reply to this comment these days is "Who then?" Go on any forum of a team under performing and you'll find the twats who demand to know who the replacement should be. The discussion usually ends there due to the aggressive nature of the "manager defender".barmy billy wrote:With regard to MM, I do not accept that he is irreplaceable at present.
Last year...,
Me: Butcher is effin clueless. He needs to go, NOW. Before the club are relegated.
Some tw*t: With who like?
Me: I don't f**king know. I'm not a manager scout ya fkn bawbag. If you want radiators installed, call me.
Some tw*t: Well you can't say Butcher out when you have no replacement.
Me: Yes I can. Listen, "BUTCHER THE FK OUT COZ HE'S A USELESS C**T AND HE'S FKING UP MY TEAM" Hibernian FC and their employees need to find a replacement.
Some tw*t: how are they going to do that like?
Me: You a f**king arse? You want me to phone the club right now and ask them to get me the best deal on a combi boiler?
Some tw*t: why would you do that?
Me: Exactly. And I'd fully accept a call from the club telling me that Ariston combi boilers are absolute sh*t. Because they are. You understand?
Ok, that particular one ended with the "manager the fk outer" being slightly more aggro, but some people out there are extremely stupid.
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Moi aggressive? I don't think so.marko69 wrote:The extremely annoying reply to this comment these days is "Who then?" Go on any forum of a team under performing and you'll find the twats who demand to know who the replacement should be. The discussion usually ends there due to the aggressive nature of the "manager defender".barmy billy wrote:With regard to MM, I do not accept that he is irreplaceable at present.
Last year...,
Me: Butcher is effin clueless. He needs to go, NOW. Before the club are relegated.
Some tw*t: With who like?
Me: I don't f**king know. I'm not a manager scout ya fkn bawbag. If you want radiators installed, call me.
Some tw*t: Well you can't say Butcher out when you have no replacement.
Me: Yes I can. Listen, "BUTCHER THE FK OUT COZ HE'S A USELESS C**T AND HE'S FKING UP MY TEAM" Hibernian FC and their employees need to find a replacement.
Some tw*t: how are they going to do that like?
Me: You a f**king arse? You want me to phone the club right now and ask them to get me the best deal on a combi boiler?
Some tw*t: why would you do that?
Me: Exactly. And I'd fully accept a call from the club telling me that Ariston combi boilers are absolute sh*t. Because they are. You understand?
Ok, that particular one ended with the "manager the fk outer" being slightly more aggro, but some people out there are extremely stupid.
You are very vocal this morning Marko. Business slack?
I did a 20 mile cycle ride yesterday and have come down with a filthy head cold and a sore arse, hence my taking it easy and reading the forum.
It pisses me off: you try and keep fit and end up worse off.
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No no, buddy......., if you read the post, not saying you were aggressive. I had to re read it myself there! Ha.
Not so good about the effects of the cycle......, but good going doing the 20 miles.
Work far from slack, but I'm taking it easy myself this week. The partial slipped disc in the neck is giving me grief. So I'm trying to convert that grief onto this forum.
Not so good about the effects of the cycle......, but good going doing the 20 miles.
Work far from slack, but I'm taking it easy myself this week. The partial slipped disc in the neck is giving me grief. So I'm trying to convert that grief onto this forum.
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Sorry about your neck. Sounds painful. Don't overdo it.marko69 wrote:No no, buddy......., if you read the post, not saying you were aggressive. I had to re read it myself there! Ha.
Not so good about the effects of the cycle......, but good going doing the 20 miles.
Work far from slack, but I'm taking it easy myself this week. The partial slipped disc in the neck is giving me grief. So I'm trying to convert that grief onto this forum.
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barmy billy wrote:Sorry about your neck. Sounds painful. Don't overdo it.marko69 wrote:No no, buddy......., if you read the post, not saying you were aggressive. I had to re read it myself there! Ha.
Not so good about the effects of the cycle......, but good going doing the 20 miles.
Work far from slack, but I'm taking it easy myself this week. The partial slipped disc in the neck is giving me grief. So I'm trying to convert that grief onto this forum.
He's always been a pain in the neck, let's hope it mends quickly!
All the best Marko...
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Hope it's not getting too stiff at times!marko69 wrote:No no, buddy......., if you read the post, not saying you were aggressive. I had to re read it myself there! Ha.
Not so good about the effects of the cycle......, but good going doing the 20 miles.
Work far from slack, but I'm taking it easy myself this week. The partial slipped disc in the neck is giving me grief. So I'm trying to convert that grief onto this forum.

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That is exactly it, support your club, be disappointed by all means and have opinions but some of the venomous bullshit I read on forums regarding MM right now shows the posters up for what they are.marko69 wrote:Tell you what....... Even when your beloved club are stroking the ball about like Barca, creating chance after chance after chance, corners, hitting the woodwork several times......, they can still be humped 3-0 at home! Unbelievable.
But please, support your club........, don't be like the fkn pathetic losers at Easter Road Stadium last night leaving in the 62nd minute. The same losers who'll be whinging their effin faces off if they can't get a league cup final ticket. ARSEHOLES!!!!
'MON THE CABBAGE & RIBS.
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It feels just as bad at the games as well. I went on tuesday night and many people just couldn't wait for a mistake so they could launch a tirade of abuse at that particular player. One bloke right behind me spent the game screaming endless abuse right into my ear and just ruined it for me. It was a joke. If they hate it that much then they shouldn't go, we're better off without their toxicity ruining the atmosphere.bluemike wrote:That is exactly it, support your club, be disappointed by all means and have opinions but some of the venomous bullshit I read on forums regarding MM right now shows the posters up for what they are.marko69 wrote:Tell you what....... Even when your beloved club are stroking the ball about like Barca, creating chance after chance after chance, corners, hitting the woodwork several times......, they can still be humped 3-0 at home! Unbelievable.
But please, support your club........, don't be like the fkn pathetic losers at Easter Road Stadium last night leaving in the 62nd minute. The same losers who'll be whinging their effin faces off if they can't get a league cup final ticket. ARSEHOLES!!!!
'MON THE CABBAGE & RIBS.
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I must say that you have a point about the edgy atmosphere at games. We may have some of the most loyal, patient supports but fans can very quickly turn on the players when things aren't going our way. I remember mentioning this in one of the previews, as a possible reason why our home form has not been as strong this season...J4ck22 wrote:It feels just as bad at the games as well. I went on tuesday night and many people just couldn't wait for a mistake so they could launch a tirade of abuse at that particular player. One bloke right behind me spent the game screaming endless abuse right into my ear and just ruined it for me. It was a joke. If they hate it that much then they shouldn't go, we're better off without their toxicity ruining the atmosphere.bluemike wrote:That is exactly it, support your club, be disappointed by all means and have opinions but some of the venomous bullshit I read on forums regarding MM right now shows the posters up for what they are.marko69 wrote:Tell you what....... Even when your beloved club are stroking the ball about like Barca, creating chance after chance after chance, corners, hitting the woodwork several times......, they can still be humped 3-0 at home! Unbelievable.
But please, support your club........, don't be like the fkn pathetic losers at Easter Road Stadium last night leaving in the 62nd minute. The same losers who'll be whinging their effin faces off if they can't get a league cup final ticket. ARSEHOLES!!!!
'MON THE CABBAGE & RIBS.
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Just nut em' J4CK. That usually shuts the loud mouth fkrs up. Obviously do it hard enough so that he ain't getting up again!
Joking!! No violence here, thanks!
Seriously though....., to keep on this point....... At Easter Road on Tuesday, the atmosphere was shocking. The Hibs are in a Cup Final, in the quarters of the Scottish after convincingly knocking out the Jambos, (only 1-0, but should've been 6-0) doing great in the league, AND it was young Lewis Stevensons 300th game......., it was a very tense, uneasy atmosphere. And McGinn, who's been the Hibs best player this season, was having an "off" night......, could hear some shouting, "AWWW come on, MCGinnnnnn!"
I'm telling ye........, They're all arseholes!

Seriously though....., to keep on this point....... At Easter Road on Tuesday, the atmosphere was shocking. The Hibs are in a Cup Final, in the quarters of the Scottish after convincingly knocking out the Jambos, (only 1-0, but should've been 6-0) doing great in the league, AND it was young Lewis Stevensons 300th game......., it was a very tense, uneasy atmosphere. And McGinn, who's been the Hibs best player this season, was having an "off" night......, could hear some shouting, "AWWW come on, MCGinnnnnn!"
I'm telling ye........, They're all arseholes!
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There's just no place for that kind of behaviour in football is there?marko69 wrote:Just nut em' J4CK. That usually shuts the loud mouth fkrs up. Obviously do it hard enough so that he ain't getting up again!Joking!! No violence here, thanks!
Seriously though....., to keep on this point....... At Easter Road on Tuesday, the atmosphere was shocking. The Hibs are in a Cup Final, in the quarters of the Scottish after convincingly knocking out the Jambos, (only 1-0, but should've been 6-0) doing great in the league, AND it was young Lewis Stevensons 300th game......., it was a very tense, uneasy atmosphere. And McGinn, who's been the Hibs best player this season, was having an "off" night......, could hear some shouting, "AWWW come on, MCGinnnnnn!"
I'm telling ye........, They're all arseholes!
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I felt it very early on, normally SBR Lower is buzzing from start to finish but it was very subdued from kick-off. Quite sad really.Jamma123 wrote:I must say that you have a point about the edgy atmosphere at games. We may have some of the most loyal, patient supports but fans can very quickly turn on the players when things aren't going our way. I remember mentioning this in one of the previews, as a possible reason why our home form has not been as strong this season...J4ck22 wrote:It feels just as bad at the games as well. I went on tuesday night and many people just couldn't wait for a mistake so they could launch a tirade of abuse at that particular player. One bloke right behind me spent the game screaming endless abuse right into my ear and just ruined it for me. It was a joke. If they hate it that much then they shouldn't go, we're better off without their toxicity ruining the atmosphere.bluemike wrote:
That is exactly it, support your club, be disappointed by all means and have opinions but some of the venomous bullshit I read on forums regarding MM right now shows the posters up for what they are.
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[/quote]I must say that you have a point about the edgy atmosphere at games. We may have some of the most loyal, patient supports but fans can very quickly turn on the players when things aren't going our way. I remember mentioning this in one of the previews, as a possible reason why our home form has not been as strong this season...[/quote]
They may be loyal in one sense of the word but in other ways they are about as fickle as you can get. I have even been at games where the attitude has changed DURING the game, it's great MM and the players at the start when we are winning but OMG as soon as a goal goes in or we have a bad spell the self same people turn on Bipolar mode and go into meltdown in such a nasty way. Pretty laughable actually.
They may be loyal in one sense of the word but in other ways they are about as fickle as you can get. I have even been at games where the attitude has changed DURING the game, it's great MM and the players at the start when we are winning but OMG as soon as a goal goes in or we have a bad spell the self same people turn on Bipolar mode and go into meltdown in such a nasty way. Pretty laughable actually.
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We were more vocal in abusing Snodgrass than we were supporting our team...
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I must say that you have a point about the edgy atmosphere at games. We may have some of the most loyal, patient supports but fans can very quickly turn on the players when things aren't going our way. I remember mentioning this in one of the previews, as a possible reason why our home form has not been as strong this season...[/quote]bluemike wrote:
They may be loyal in one sense of the word but in other ways they are about as fickle as you can get. I have even been at games where the attitude has changed DURING the game, it's great MM and the players at the start when we are winning but OMG as soon as a goal goes in or we have a bad spell the self same people turn on Bipolar mode and go into meltdown in such a nasty way. Pretty laughable actually.[/quote]
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I remember going to see Ipswich play Norwich back in the Royle years...it was the same thing then. Poor old Matt Richards was getting a bollocking! 

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Once again: who do you think would do a better job under current circumstances? You have no answer and it doesn't surprise me as the answer is: no-one.barmy billy wrote:I'm sorry you think my question odd and are not prepared to give me an answer.Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:Have you been in the coma in the last 2-3 years? Because your question about Evans' policy is really odd.
You think it's all Micks fault. Yet you have no answer about who could do better than him in these circumstances. I repeat my question: imagine Mick goes who do you think would make us better with no financial backing?
With regard to MM, I do not accept that he is irreplaceable at present. To accept that he is the best available to us is to me both blinkered and defeatist and as I had said previously, will lead to stagnation followed by a downward spiral. We may even be on that road already. I do not profess know enough about football management to put me in a position to name a suitable replacement, but I certainly do not go along with the theory that MM is the best we can get. I'm sure that professional head hunters would be able to present Mr Evans with a shortlist if requested.
You wouldn't mind Mick to go but then there is a question: what next? The most likely answer is: League One in 2-3 years.
Marcus Evans and his policy is the issue. I'd understand your anti-Mick attitude if he was backed by money and did an average job. But he isn't backed at all so the job he's been doing with us is miraculous.
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Mick being MORE THAN HAPPY with his squad was certainly baffling for me.marko69 wrote:With all due respect to you, Mach......, what about all the posts and threads about funds being available to Mick, but Mick didn't want it and was happy with his squad? Or is that all just utter Shyte? I may be wrong, but I'm guessing this is where Barmy Billy is coming from with his post about Mevans' policies. Maybe I've been in a coma as well because I'm not quite sure about your all out dislike for Mevans? Were funds for players available for players or not? Or is it the fans fault for blowing wind & pish when they feel like it?Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:Have you been in the coma in the last 2-3 years? Because your question about Evans' policy is really odd.
You think it's all Micks fault. Yet you have no answer about who could do better than him in these circumstances. I repeat my question: imagine Mick goes who do you think would make us better with no financial backing?
But now he's hinted he may have to talk to Evans re transfer budget come summer.
My dislike for Evans...... I'm sick of him more and more. He doesn't give a bloody f*** about fans, about the clubs progression. I'm really amazed how loads of our fans think he's a good thing for the club. If he refuses to hand Mick some money this summer and subsequently Mick goes it may lead to disaster.
Some of our fans are strange. They want Mick to go and they think this is the solution for us. Some percent of them are hilarious and soppy. When ITFC's managerial position is available they immediately mention ex-Town people as they think that sentiments are the way forward. What will they say when Mick goes? Of course obvious favourites will be: Butcher, Mowbray, Burley, Taricco, Holland.......all because they are ex-Town people. Yes, Butcher's name has always been mentioned numeruous time in situations like that despite the fact he's been a terrible football manager.
Non ex-Town favourite? Ha ha, Darren Ferguson's brigade will remind us about him.
Mick doesn't get funds from Evans, Milne has misleading fans recently re tax situation and his next step will be the annual tripe this summer : 'there will be money available for Mick'.
I really fear for the ITFC future if Evans maintains his policy beyond this season.
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I'm okay with Mick staying until the end of his contract 'IF' ME decides to invest a significant amount of funds over the summer. I'd still like to see us playing some more attractive football and maybe that will occur if MM gets in a bit more quality. Indeed a win is a win no matter how it is achieved, but never in the +40 years I've supported ITFC did I envisage fans being chastised for wanting attractive football. Granted many of us have been fans since and during the Sir Bobby years...so it can be argued we want too much, I suppose. And when I say 'attractive football' I'm not talking about "tiki-taka' like Barcelona, I'm talking about one touch passing, creating space, keeping the ball on the ground, maintaining possession until an attack is complete, and most importantly...eliminate the hoof. Now really, is that too much to ask?
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I did answer your question as fully as I could MPB although you seem reluctant to accept my comments.Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:barmy billy wrote:I'm sorry you think my question odd and are not prepared to give me an answer.Mach_Polish_Blue wrote:Have you been in the coma in the last 2-3 years? Because your question about Evans' policy is really odd.
You think it's all Micks fault. Yet you have no answer about who could do better than him in these circumstances. I repeat my question: imagine Mick goes who do you think would make us better with no financial backing?
With regard to MM, I do not accept that he is irreplaceable at present. To accept that he is the best available to us is to me both blinkered and defeatist and as I had said previously, will lead to stagnation followed by a downward spiral. We may even be on that road already. I do not profess know enough about football management to put me in a position to name a suitable replacement, but I certainly do not go along with the theory that MM is the best we can get. I'm sure that professional head hunters would be able to present Mr Evans with a shortlist if requested.
Once again: who do you think would do a better job under current circumstances? You have no answer and it doesn't surprise me as the answer is: no-one.
You wouldn't mind Mick to go but then there is a question: what next? The most likely answer is: League One in 2-3 years.
Marcus Evans and his policy is the issue. I'd understand your anti-Mick attitude if he was backed by money and did an average job. But he isn't backed at all so the job he's been doing with us is miraculous.
You are clearly intolerant of other peoples views (you are not alone) and your comments yesterday about away supporters being the real Ipswich were rude and unfair, especially to supporters who for a number of reasons are unable to make away games.
I have answered your question but see little point in continuing the discourse as we will clearly never agree. I'm you will understand.
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Re: Mick Out!
Nothing wrong with wanting attractive football number9, I think we all want it but we are in a position where we have to play to our strengths which is what MM sets the team out to do. The creative players in our team are probably, McGoldrick, Bishop and Fraser and we all know what has happened with them this season.
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Re: Mick Out!
/Billy Barmy
???????????? What?????? Why are you twisting my words?
Where have I said: 'away supporters being the real Ipswich' ?? Why are you such pathetic liar? Just because my view is different?
I'm very tolerant of other peoples views. When I ask them to clarify their views some of them are getting lost. And you're one of them. I'm asking yourself what future would you think will be if Mick goes and you have no answer. So let's sum up your view: Mick should go and let's what happens afterwards. You're a genius !
And once again don't lie ! Because I have never ever said anything about away fans being real fans.
???????????? What?????? Why are you twisting my words?
Where have I said: 'away supporters being the real Ipswich' ?? Why are you such pathetic liar? Just because my view is different?
I'm very tolerant of other peoples views. When I ask them to clarify their views some of them are getting lost. And you're one of them. I'm asking yourself what future would you think will be if Mick goes and you have no answer. So let's sum up your view: Mick should go and let's what happens afterwards. You're a genius !
And once again don't lie ! Because I have never ever said anything about away fans being real fans.
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