Mick's dire tactics aside

[Tangfastic]

This club now is all about Mick.

We needed someone to sort a mess out and he's done that, but wonder if Micks control is now too much.

A boss should be a boss, but the style of football we play is dictated too much by Mick.
He's got one style of football and the players he picks are ones who follows his orders to the tee.
Ranieiri at Leicester has been applauded by going against his instincts and allowing his players to breathe a little.

Micks happier with players who are limited, but who he can exert control over and play HIS style of football. We needed a strong manager to come in and take control...... but I think it's gone to Micks head a little and he's influencing too much over his players. That might seem stupid to say, but while you've got to be disciplined, you've got to have a bit of daring and unpredictability up your sleeve to hurt the opposition. We play better when we're behind and tear up Micks formulaic rulebook... might as well tear it up from the start and let the players of their leashes.

If we going to have to endure more of Mick ( he's not getting sacked), then I hope he loosens up the shackles a bit and let's his players play football.

That's a similar worry about England this summer. We've got some good young exciting players, but can see Woy trying to over-think and over-manage and shoe horn Rooney into the side and playing a tighter game because hes more scared of losing than actually winning games. You end up losing anyway.

[barmy billy]

This club now is all about Mick.

We needed someone to sort a mess out and he's done that, but wonder if Micks control is now too much.

A boss should be a boss, but the style of football we play is dictated too much by Mick.
He's got one style of football and the players he picks are ones who follows his orders to the tee.
Ranieiri at Leicester has been applauded by going against his instincts and allowing his players to breathe a little.

Micks happier with players who are limited, but who he can exert control over and play HIS style of football. We needed a strong manager to come in and take control...... but I think it's gone to Micks head a little and he's influencing too much over his players. That might seem stupid to say, but while you've got to be disciplined, you've got to have a bit of daring and unpredictability up your sleeve to hurt the opposition. We play better when we're behind and tear up Micks formulaic rulebook... might as well tear it up from the start and let the players of their leashes.

If we going to have to endure more of Mick ( he's not getting sacked), then I hope he loosens up the shackles a bit and let's his players play football.

That's a similar worry about England this summer. We've got some good young exciting players, but can see Woy trying to over-think and over-manage and shoe horn Rooney into the side and playing a tighter game because hes more scared of losing than actually winning games. You end up losing anyway.

Your comments about MM are true. Sadly, he will not loosen up as he is (as I said elsewhere too old, stubborn and set in his ways. He is a safe pair of hands, but we need more if we are to gain promotion and stand a chance of surviving.

[Bluemike]

I think it has to be remembered that when Fraser was in the team we werent playing anywhere near the route one stuff that we are now, had we had Fraser, Bishop, Didsy, Feeney & pringle all season I doubt very much we would be having these conversations, unfortunately we lost all the creativity that we had and that makes a massive difference to a managers approach.

Mick will always be the pragmatic sort and by and large over the years it has set him in good stead, he isn't about to change now, however I think he realises that even he went too far in the Rotherham game as his admittance afterwards confirms, I would be absolutely staggered if we did not see Pringle & Feeney start at Wolves and maybe even Foley too and that in itself would guarantee more football being played on the deck.

The problem is that as fans it is easy for us to say what is right and what is wrong, we all know good football when we see it, or at least we should do, unfortunately we don't all appreciate the shackles placed on Mick and what he is doing with no money, that often gets forgotten in the heat of debate. It is testament to Mick that he continues to keep us in the play off picture, in reality we have no right to be there, whether he should have more money from ME to spend is another debate but the stark reality is that he hasn't got it and is making do with what he has and against all the odds is keeping us at the right end of the table.

Has it gone to his head ? No I don't believe it has, stubborn he may be but I believe him to be as genuine as fair as the day is long, he is getting the very best out of a ordinary bunch of players who would run through brick walls for the boss and that tells me a lot, he has their respect and in turn they work their balls off every week for him. Some will say it is because they are safe in the team but I don't think for one second he would pick someone that wasn't putting in the work that he demands, his ethics in this department are clear for all to see, Cameron Stewart, Paul Taylor, Alex Henshall and to a lesser degree Paul Anderson have found this out in recent times, Jay Tabb is largely regarded as a MM favourite and he has not had a sniff.

At Wolves Mick played with wide men who had a lot of skill and the type of football we are witnessing was not seen at Wolves, certainly not to this degree so I really dont agree that he likes limited players, you get limited players when you are not spending Millions on them, our defence is very limited but we do have players that can express themselves with the ball, unfortunately they have either spent most of the season on the treatment table or have only just arrived. We still have Eight games to go and a chance to rectify the situation, one thing I do agree with is that it is now in MM's hands as to which way our season goes, we give it a real go or it peters out to nothing. If I get to Wolves on Saturday and see a team sheet with Hyam, Douglas & Skuse all playing I will lose the f**king plot....it won't happen.

[barmy billy]

There is no way in a million years a manager of Moyes standing would be seen at PR or anywhere in the Championship for that matter.

Said with your usual aplomb, Mike.

You say that, but look at Benitez and Allardyce. There is a good chance that one or both of their clubs will be relegated. Not sure if they have 'escape' clauses in that event, but I think many were surprised when they were appointed.

Were Evans to decide to seriously invest I see nothing to prevent someone like Moyes being considered.

[Bluemike]

There is no way in a million years a manager of Moyes standing would be seen at PR or anywhere in the Championship for that matter.

Said with your usual aplomb, Mike.

You say that, but look at Benitez and Allardyce. There is a good chance that one or both of their clubs will be relegated. Not sure if they have 'escape' clauses in that event, but I think many were surprised when they were appointed.

Were Evans to decide to seriously invest I see nothing to prevent someone like Moyes being considered.

It wasn't said in a funny or sarcastic way at all Billy, just that I do not see Moyes anywhere near this division.

[barmy billy]

There is no way in a million years a manager of Moyes standing would be seen at PR or anywhere in the Championship for that matter.

Said with your usual aplomb, Mike.

You say that, but look at Benitez and Allardyce. There is a good chance that one or both of their clubs will be relegated. Not sure if they have 'escape' clauses in that event, but I think many were surprised when they were appointed.

Were Evans to decide to seriously invest I see nothing to prevent someone like Moyes being considered.

It wasn't said in a funny or sarcastic way at all Billy, just that I do not see Moyes anywhere near this division.

I was pulling your leg when I used the word 'aplomb', you silly bugger.

[Bluemike]

LOL, no worries.

[hallamblue]

er, what's an "aplomb" .....Is it serious??

[barmy billy]

er, what's an "aplomb" .....Is it serious??

I think it's something you catch off a warm bus seat. Scream like hell when you pull them out.

[BLUEBLOOD]

er, what's an "aplomb" .....Is it serious??

It,s what you put under a canary's fans seat to wake them up at carrot road after the game.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

I think the trend for the season was set on the opening day against Brentford.
2-0 up with a few minutes to go, MM takes off a couple of forward-thinking players and puts on defensive-minded ones and the rest is history.

I remember writing a post at the time called 'You Can Stick the Positives Where the Sun Don't Shine'. It was ridiculed by most, but interesting that now it's happened a few more times, more and more people are questioning the type of game we play under MM and if we are moving in the right direction.

All I can say is that if people expect things to change under the current regime, forget it - it ain't gonna happen.

[Bluemike]

You just had to remind me of f*****g Brentford didn't you ??? I had just about got over it, oh well back to the counselling.

[hallamblue]

But we didnt bring on a defender in those closing minutes at Brentford. We brought on McGoldrick who as usual is a total waste of bloody space. He cant run, isnt interested. A lot of people appear very keen for him to play again at Wolves, but I don't think he has it in him any more....Here's hoping he proves me wrong over the remaining 8 games.

[Bluemike]

But we didnt bring on a defender in those closing minutes at Brentford. We brought on McGoldrick who as usual is a total waste of bloody space. He cant run, isnt interested. A lot of people appear very keen for him to play again at Wolves, but I don't think he has it in him any more....Here's hoping he proves me wrong over the remaining 8 games.

He pissed about in the corner flag and gave it away, up the other end they went and scored !!!

[ashfordblue]

The only replacement manager I would like to see at Portman Road is Mark Warburton, is truly a very smart cookie, gets his teams playing good footie, ask Marko ????

[marko69]

Mark Warburton is no doubt a decent manager......., but he is an utter bellend. And I honestly mean that. He is a typical Old Firm manager......, whinging faced disaster when the slightest thing goes wrong. And we all know managers "don't see" incidents when they clearly know their own player is guilty........, Rangers are arguably the dirtiest team in the feckin UK, yet Warburton hasn't seen a single challenge by any of his players. Lee Wallace could've badly injured Jason Cummings earlier in the season, horrific challenge;
Warburton: "Yeah, I'll need to look at that, missed it"
Press: "And the chopped off Rangers goal?"
Warburton: "CLEARLY onside......., FROM THE DUGOUT!"
C0ck.

All for the best at Portman Road, but if that p3ni$ was to arrive......., well, I'd "miss" post match interviews.

[marko69]

And New Rangers are in sh*t street anyway. Hopefully this time, they fk off forever....... and Warburton fks off back to England.

[Bluemike]

I liked him at Brentford but I must confess every time I have seen him on the box lately he does indeed come over as an arrogant tit.

[barmy billy]

I think the trend for the season was set on the opening day against Brentford.
2-0 up with a few minutes to go, MM takes off a couple of forward-thinking players and puts on defensive-minded ones and the rest is history.

I remember writing a post at the time called 'You Can Stick the Positives Where the Sun Don't Shine'. It was ridiculed by most, but interesting that now it's happened a few more times, more and more people are questioning the type of game we play under MM and if we are moving in the right direction.

All I can say is that if people expect things to change under the current regime, forget it - it ain't gonna happen.

Spot on. I could not agree more.

[jaykay]

just noticed, in 6 more matches time mick will have managed the same amount of games as joe royle.now if ever a manager had one hand tied behind his back it was joe

[hallamblue]

Yip he did, and if memory serves me right he left the club via " mutual consent". However much later "Jaah Rayol" said he could no longer work under such severe financial constraints.

Now I wonder if Mick's conversation with Marcus in the summer might have an element of, " give me some dosh to work with, or I leave"?

[Bluemike]

When Royle arived at the club they were in a far better position League wise than they were when MM arrived, he also adopted far better players than MM, add to that it was a far more level playing field in terms of teams spending capability as today MM has to deal with the ridiculous amounts of parachute money lots of others teams have the benefit of. Royle had limits to work within of that there was no doubt but it is much much worse now.

[marko69]

Did the "parachute" open for the likes of "Division 4 and mainly rugby" Wigan and Blackpool? Seems they fell out of the EPL aeroplane and went bombing past "stability Mick".

[hallamblue]

it always amazed me that they hit into the PL Inn the first place. But once again I think that was largely due to heavy financial backing. Which says it all really as regards our plight.

[marko69]

It's a vicious circle, Hallam. Clubs like Wigan and Blackpool, (possibly Bournemouth, yet to be seen) breaking the bank to gain EPL status, and left with a considerable amount of debt and half empty stadiums. The EPL would be great, but as J4CK22 and Bluemike allude to..... Be careful when wishing! The perfect vicious circle.

The ideal scenario........, a billionaire, (not a millionaire with dross cash) but a billionaire who is also an Ipswich Town "fan"? Any of those kicking about in the SoFuck area?

If I was a trillionaire, I'd have Hibs competing in Champions League finals like ibramovich did with Chelski.
Back page headline:
Messi arrives at Easter Road in £50,000 deal.

"Lionel Messi agrees to join Hibernian FC for such a low transfer deal because he reveals its the only club he ever wanted to play for. The fact that he is 57 years old means nothing. He says he'll do his best. Which could be argued will be better than what's already on show at the club."

[hallamblue]

P.M.S.L.

[jaykay]

When Royle arived at the club they were in a far better position League wise than they were when MM arrived, he also adopted far better players than MM, add to that it was a far more level playing field in terms of teams spending capability as today MM has to deal with the ridiculous amounts of parachute money lots of others teams have the benefit of. Royle had limits to work within of that there was no doubt but it is much much worse now.

i agree about better players but we lost several players later in the season when we went into administration .he came nov and by jan we we broke.so with the likes of holland etc leaving and no money to spend it wasnt much of a level playing field.

[Mr.Punch]

I see MM is 3rd favourite for the Aston Villa job (behind Moyes and Pearson).
Do you think he would go? How would he get on?
When I was a kid, Villa were in Div 3 - if they don't get it right they might go back there.

[hallamblue]

he could use this Villa job potential as a bargaining tool for him securing finds for next season from Evans perhaps. I doubt he will leave Town though. it's just not in the man's character.

[Bluemike]

Moyes being linked to Villa could well dispel my theory that he would not be seen anywhere near the Championship, it looks a good fit to me.