Embarrassing Season....letters to EADT

[hallamblue]

http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/things_have ... _1_4503886


Some interesting comments here if anyone interested. One poster says Evans has had offers for the Club , ( it has been rumoured for a while that he has been looking for a buyer in The City )

[marko69]

With all due respect, Mrs H......, I read that in its entirety, and yes, "interesting", but nothing has been said that hasn't been said on this forum.

Something that seems to be strangely overlooked is the size and ambition of at least one of the clubs that will be in the league next season; Aston Villa. For me, (opinion only) they eliminate one of the auto spots as they'll be up there, guaranteed. That leaves the other two relegated clubs, (Magpies or Black Cats possibly) ...., point being, this seasons "strange" EPL season will have a huge effect on next seasons championship. Mevans will genuinely need to spend some serious coinage to be able to compete, let alone actually challenge.

Will he stump up? Or are these rumours of bailing, true?

[Bluemike]

I actually think Villa could well struggle big time, and if they don't do some serious investment and good appointments could even go down again.

[Shed on tour]

With all due respect, Mrs H......, I read that in its entirety, and yes, "interesting", but nothing has been said that hasn't been said on this forum.

Something that seems to be strangely overlooked is the size and ambition of at least one of the clubs that will be in the league next season; Aston Villa. For me, (opinion only) they eliminate one of the auto spots as they'll be up there, guaranteed. That leaves the other two relegated clubs, (Magpies or Black Cats possibly) ...., point being, this seasons "strange" EPL season will have a huge effect on next seasons championship. Mevans will genuinely need to spend some serious coinage to be able to compete, let alone actually challenge.

Will he stump up? Or are these rumours of bailing, true?

Reading Mick's comments from this article have a feeling this won't be happening.

http://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news ... s-to-squad

[barmy billy]

With all due respect, Mrs H......, I read that in its entirety, and yes, "interesting", but nothing has been said that hasn't been said on this forum.

Something that seems to be strangely overlooked is the size and ambition of at least one of the clubs that will be in the league next season; Aston Villa. For me, (opinion only) they eliminate one of the auto spots as they'll be up there, guaranteed. That leaves the other two relegated clubs, (Magpies or Black Cats possibly) ...., point being, this seasons "strange" EPL season will have a huge effect on next seasons championship. Mevans will genuinely need to spend some serious coinage to be able to compete, let alone actually challenge.

Will he stump up? Or are these rumours of bailing, true?

Reading Mick's comments from this article have a feeling this won't be happening.

http://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news ... s-to-squad

Be honest. Did we really expect any thing else?

[Shed on tour]

With all due respect, Mrs H......, I read that in its entirety, and yes, "interesting", but nothing has been said that hasn't been said on this forum.

Something that seems to be strangely overlooked is the size and ambition of at least one of the clubs that will be in the league next season; Aston Villa. For me, (opinion only) they eliminate one of the auto spots as they'll be up there, guaranteed. That leaves the other two relegated clubs, (Magpies or Black Cats possibly) ...., point being, this seasons "strange" EPL season will have a huge effect on next seasons championship. Mevans will genuinely need to spend some serious coinage to be able to compete, let alone actually challenge.

Will he stump up? Or are these rumours of bailing, true?

Reading Mick's comments from this article have a feeling this won't be happening.

http://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-news ... s-to-squad

Be honest. Did we really expect any thing else?

Nope. I'm sure that the policy of signing players on a free or paying very small transfer fees will continue. If Evans didn't think it was wise to pay out big fees in the transfer window of January 2015 at a time when we were probably in the best position for going for automatic promotion that we are going to be in for a very long time, then I can't see him splashing the cash now.

[marko69]

Oh well, (if Mick wants to stay) might as well keep him. Regardless of recent relegation form, pretty sure he'd sustain championship status.

Mach Polish Blue was the ONLY one on this forum who, MONTHS ago, was calling out Mevans as the problem, even before the January window. Turns out he was right. Stability but complete mediocrity seems to be what'll remain in place with MeV at the helm.

[hallamblue]

The whispers of discontent are growing both in numbers and volume. The Club ignores it at its peril.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Oh well, (if Mick wants to stay) might as well keep him. Regardless of recent relegation form, pretty sure he'd sustain championship status.

Mach Polish Blue was the ONLY one on this forum who, MONTHS ago, was calling out Mevans as the problem, even before the January window. Turns out he was right. Stability but complete mediocrity seems to be what'll remain in place with MeV at the helm.

Oh I don't think it was only MPB who expressed that opinion. Check out the following thread:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=64827

there were quite a few of us with similar opinions on the matter of ME.
It would be interesting, though, to find out what those that were defending ME on this thread actually think now

[marko69]

Yep, that was arguably one of the best threads back in January, really enjoyed that ....... But MPB is the only forum member (I can recall) having real issues with Mevans pre window, as far back as oct/Nov, regarding the absent owner etc.

[Bluemike]

Well I stick by every word that I said, we would not exist without him whether we like it or not.

Only a fool believes that ME is not spending money each and every season on ITFC, it has even been suggested on more than one occasion by Mick himself that there was money to spend should he need it but he chose not to as he believed he could not bring anyone better in than what he had at the time.

The debate about style is a valid point and a different discussion altogether but for me for us to be witnessing the uproar among Town fans that we are currently seeing is ridiculous in the extreme, we are 8th for god sake not 20th!! I still maintain we are probably higher than we should be given our standing in the league when taking parachute payments crap into the equation. There are a number of factors as to why we have fallen short in the final 3rd of the season, injuries being a very big one, yes MM has made some mistakes but to EXPECT this team to be higher than we are is pretty naive, at the start of the season I predicted a 6th place finish and we are hardly miles of it are we, with 3 games to go it is still technically possible.

Of course the team needs a bit of a overhaul this Summer because we won't get away with not spending again, we have just about hung in there this time but the nucleus of a good team is still very much there, all this crap about letters to the media etc is bullshit in my opinion, attention seeking by people who need to grow up and get a taste of reality. I 100% hope to god the whingers and whiners who are threatening to stop going do exactly that, the whole place needs a overhaul including the delusional fans who continue to drum up unrest and ill feeling, yes the attendances will take a hit for a time but so what, the first sign of a bit of success will have them crawling back but hopefully it will entice some new fans to PR too, that would be great as it is what we really need. As MM said in the press only today, nobody was moaning about the style or entertainment etc when we were winning and in the top six and that is what I have said all along, it is all about results, nothing else, there are one or two exceptions who have said from the seasons first weeks and before that that they would rather see good football over results but they are few and far between, the rest just jump on the bandwagon and look for someone to blame, please please please if it is that bad and only makes you fed up and miserable don't f**king go, it really is that simple but I do not what to read grown adults bleating on in the press because they didnt get a 200 page reply form ITFC begging them to stick with it.

[arana peligrosa]

When did Evans come on board here, what 2007 or thereabouts ? May be a year or two out but what has the club achieved in the time since ? We berate McCarthy enough, but would have seen Jewell and Roy Keane in place since his arrival and last I remember, they weren't exactly manager of the year material.

Way I see it, we're going to be with both Evans and McCarthy for at least another season and that right now doesn't inspire confidence. If McCarthy has to stay on, then at least provide enough expenditure for him to go out and bring in some decent signings. Not extravagant purchases obviously but something improved on what has come before.

That said, what potential signings would be attracted with a move here ? This season's play has been sub-standard for the most part, not to mention banal and uninspiring and are players really going to be eager to come in and contribute ?

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

Well I stick by every word that I said, we would not exist without him whether we like it or not.

Only a fool believes that ME is not spending money each and every season on ITFC, it has even been suggested on more than one occasion by Mick himself that there was money to spend should he need it but he chose not to as he believed he could not bring anyone better in than what he had at the time.

The debate about style is a valid point and a different discussion altogether but for me for us to be witnessing the uproar among Town fans that we are currently seeing is ridiculous in the extreme, we are 8th for god sake not 20th!! I still maintain we are probably higher than we should be given our standing in the league when taking parachute payments crap into the equation. There are a number of factors as to why we have fallen short in the final 3rd of the season, injuries being a very big one, yes MM has made some mistakes but to EXPECT this team to be higher than we are is pretty naive, at the start of the season I predicted a 6th place finish and we are hardly miles of it are we, with 3 games to go it is still technically possible.

Of course the team needs a bit of a overhaul this Summer because we won't get away with not spending again, we have just about hung in there this time but the nucleus of a good team is still very much there, all this crap about letters to the media etc is bullshit in my opinion, attention seeking by people who need to grow up and get a taste of reality. I 100% hope to god the whingers and whiners who are threatening to stop going do exactly that, the whole place needs a overhaul including the delusional fans who continue to drum up unrest and ill feeling, yes the attendances will take a hit for a time but so what, the first sign of a bit of success will have them crawling back but hopefully it will entice some new fans to PR too, that would be great as it is what we really need. As MM said in the press only today, nobody was moaning about the style or entertainment etc when we were winning and in the top six and that is what I have said all along, it is all about results, nothing else, there are one or two exceptions who have said from the seasons first weeks and before that that they would rather see good football over results but they are few and far between, the rest just jump on the bandwagon and look for someone to blame, please please please if it is that bad and only makes you fed up and miserable don't f**king go, it really is that simple but I do not what to read grown adults bleating on in the press because they didnt get a 200 page reply form ITFC begging them to stick with it.

Cannot agree with much of this post I'm afraid. Given that we finished 6th last season - and given that the supposed 'long-term strategy' is progress every season - then we have in fact not progressed at all this season, rather we have regressed.
Most fans want promotion to the EPL, and that's very reasonable given how many seasons we have spent in the Championship. I know that you have often said that you prefer us to be in the Championship, but I think that is an opinion in the minority - most fans want to see us in the EPL if only for one season: at least that would substantially clear the club's debt and give fans the chan ce of seeing top teams at PR.

As for what I have highlighted above, as far as I'm concerned I would be looking to ship out the following:
Chambers
Berra
Smith
Skuse
Douglas
Coke
Toure
Pitman
Malarcyk
Varney
Digby

simply because I do not believe any of them are good enough to help achieve promotion.
That does not leave much of a 'nucleus', so substantial investment is going to be needed to give us a chance.

[derick_ipsw]

Well I stick by every word that I said, we would not exist without him whether we like it or not.

Only a fool believes that ME is not spending money each and every season on ITFC, it has even been suggested on more than one occasion by Mick himself that there was money to spend should he need it but he chose not to as he believed he could not bring anyone better in than what he had at the time.

The debate about style is a valid point and a different discussion altogether but for me for us to be witnessing the uproar among Town fans that we are currently seeing is ridiculous in the extreme, we are 8th for god sake not 20th!! I still maintain we are probably higher than we should be given our standing in the league when taking parachute payments crap into the equation. There are a number of factors as to why we have fallen short in the final 3rd of the season, injuries being a very big one, yes MM has made some mistakes but to EXPECT this team to be higher than we are is pretty naive, at the start of the season I predicted a 6th place finish and we are hardly miles of it are we, with 3 games to go it is still technically possible.

Of course the team needs a bit of a overhaul this Summer because we won't get away with not spending again, we have just about hung in there this time but the nucleus of a good team is still very much there, all this crap about letters to the media etc is bullshit in my opinion, attention seeking by people who need to grow up and get a taste of reality. I 100% hope to god the whingers and whiners who are threatening to stop going do exactly that, the whole place needs a overhaul including the delusional fans who continue to drum up unrest and ill feeling, yes the attendances will take a hit for a time but so what, the first sign of a bit of success will have them crawling back but hopefully it will entice some new fans to PR too, that would be great as it is what we really need. As MM said in the press only today, nobody was moaning about the style or entertainment etc when we were winning and in the top six and that is what I have said all along, it is all about results, nothing else, there are one or two exceptions who have said from the seasons first weeks and before that that they would rather see good football over results but they are few and far between, the rest just jump on the bandwagon and look for someone to blame, please please please if it is that bad and only makes you fed up and miserable don't f**king go, it really is that simple but I do not what to read grown adults bleating on in the press because they didnt get a 200 page reply form ITFC begging them to stick with it.

Cannot agree with much of this post I'm afraid. Given that we finished 6th last season - and given that the supposed 'long-term strategy' is progress every season - then we have in fact not progressed at all this season, rather we have regressed.
Most fans want promotion to the EPL, and that's very reasonable given how many seasons we have spent in the Championship. I know that you have often said that you prefer us to be in the Championship, but I think that is an opinion in the minority - most fans want to see us in the EPL if only for one season: at least that would substantially clear the club's debt and give fans the chan ce of seeing top teams at PR.

As for what I have highlighted above, as far as I'm concerned I would be looking to ship out the following:
Chambers
Berra
Smith
Skuse
Douglas
Coke
Toure
Pitman
Malarcyk
Varney
Digby

simply because I do not believe any of them are good enough to help achieve promotion.
That does not leave much of a 'nucleus', so substantial investment is going to be needed to give us a chance.

Agree with yo there Rossi, I would get rid of the highlighted.

[herforder]

Agree the aim has to be continuous progress and achieving PL status; and that this requires a quantum improvement in squad's quality and depth. This inevitably comes back to level of ME's investment, and all indications are little change to the current model. Realistically, this rules out the sort of drastic cull envisaged. However, any scope MM is given should be directed to quality, not quantity.

[Andym]

nobody was moaning about the style or entertainment etc when we were winning and in the top six .

I was.

[marko69]

Malarcyk can't even get a game for Saaafend. I've been checking when I remember, and maybe on 3 occasions, never started and never subbed on. He must be pish.

I'm stuck just left of centre (Center for The Saint) of the "nucleus/never in a million years there is a nucleus" debate. I believe they are a decent squad of players but they need two or three Ryan Frasers in amongst them to tick. It went genuine tits up when he alone was injured. They also need a Roy Keane type in midfield. Where they'll find him is anyone's guess.

It's Mighty Micks job to work out who'll perform better with better quality around. I can't quite figure out if Chambers, Smith, Berra and Knudsen are all just mediocre sh*t or not; problems may STEM further upfield. Be a huge gamble getting rid of them that's for sure. He'll earn his dough this summer that's another certainty.

[number 9]

I think you're being a bit harsh there Bluemike. Most fans are just fed up and frustrated with the lack of progress. I understand you're a superb supporter of ITFC, but to berate fans for having a moan at the continuous lackluster performances isn't really fair.

I agree with most of Rossi's comments. Unfortunately though, I don't think there'll be any significant clear out of the players we have. We'll see...

[number 9]

Malarcyk can't even get a game for Saaafend. I've been checking when I remember, and maybe on 3 occasions, never started and never subbed on. He must be pish.

I'm stuck just left of centre (Center for The Saint) of the "nucleus/never in a million years there is a nucleus" debate. I believe they are a decent squad of players but they need two or three Ryan Frasers in amongst them to tick. It went genuine tits up when he alone was injured. They also need a Roy Keane type in midfield. Where they'll find him is anyone's guess.

It's Mighty Micks job to work out who'll perform better with better quality around. I can't quite figure out if Chambers, Smith, Berra and Knudsen are all just mediocre sh*t or not; problems may STEM further upfield. Be a huge gamble getting rid of them that's for sure. He'll earn his dough this summer that's another certainty.

Phil Brown has said that Piotr isn't getting starts because he's too "Pol'ite".

[marko69]

I may be out of order here, Number 9, may indeed get my balls booted for it, but I believe (could easily be wrong) Bluemike is very much a "reactionary" poster, ....., (LET ME FINISH!!) ....., he'll read all the comments on other publications, then read stuff on here, then post scathing words towards the fans, stuff like, "don't f**king go, simple as that" etc etc. But I really do believe the way they're written is reactionary, and he'd no doubt post the same "message" although maybe worded slightly differently several hours later. Like I said, I may be wrong. I like bluemikes posts as I read them from a level playing field. I think some may be guilty of thinking he has "too much" of an opinion.

He may however just be like me and think all (in his case ITFC fans, in my case Hibs fans) are just feckin Erseholes.

[number 9]

I may be out of order here, Number 9, may indeed get my balls booted for it, but I believe (could easily be wrong) Bluemike is very much a "reactionary" poster, ....., (LET ME FINISH!!) ....., he'll read all the comments on other publications, then read stuff on here, then post scathing words towards the fans, stuff like, "don't f**king go, simple as that" etc etc. But I really do believe the way they're written is reactionary, and he'd no doubt post the same "message" although maybe worded slightly differently several hours later. Like I said, I may be wrong. I like bluemikes posts as I read them from a level playing field. I think some may be guilty of thinking he has "too much" of an opinion.

He may however just be like me and think all (in his case ITFC fans, in my case Hibs fans) are just feckin Erseholes.

Fair enough, Marko. I get it. Like I said, I think he's a 'superb-fan'. He must be just as frustrated as many of us, but he refuses to give in to negativity. That's commendable. Me on the other hand will jump at the chance to be negative, if warranted of course.

[herforder]

Before posting on here, everyone should first submit their drafts to Bluemike to give him time to react!

[Bluemike]

Thanks for the support Marko (I think ) but no I don't think that I am reactionary at all, I just say it as it is and if people don't like it tough. For me it is the negative moaners who turn on the manager and team at every opportunity who are very reactionary.

[J4ck22]

'Season of embarrassment'... Seriously? Have we just lost 7-1 to Peterborough again?

[marko69]

Me on the other hand will jump at the chance to be negative, if warranted of course.

Superb

[marko69]

Thanks for the support Marko (I think ) but no I don't think that I am reactionary at all, I just say it as it is and if people don't like it tough. For me it is the negative moaners who turn on the manager and team at every opportunity who are very reactionary.

Trust me, if you read it again, it was a post of support. I too, get very frustrated with posts made by some people...... They've happened already after the 0-0 draw tonight at Morton. But I'm not reacting to them at this moment in time......, I'll offer my opinion later tonight after several Budweisers! I'll be mellowed the fk out by then!

[barmy billy]

Sorry Mike, but with respect, you are reactionary and also intolerant of other people views. I don't have a problem with this: it is just your way and my comments are not intended to offend in any way.

As I have told you in the past, you undbending devotion and diehard spirit are to be commended, even if you do sometimes talk bollocks. Just like rest of us!!

[herforder]

If being a die-hard, uncompromising and fanatical supporter was a religion, then Bluemike would surely be Pope! (I'm sure I've seen him wearing a funny hat)

[Bluemike]

Sorry Mike, but with respect, you are reactionary and also intolerant of other people views. I don't have a problem with this: it is just your way and my comments are not intended to offend in any way.

As I have told you in the past, you undbending devotion and diehard spirit are to be commended, even if you do sometimes talk bollocks. Just like rest of us!!

Me talk bollocks ?? Get real Billy.

[jeremy rusher]

The whispers of discontent are growing both in numbers and volume. The Club ignores it at its peril.

Get a life mate .