Rumours Thread.

Post by **marko69** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:10 am

Nothing wrong with feeling inspired, Saint. Not read the article you speak of but can relate to it completely. I think many clubs throughout the league, whatever level, can take some form of inspiration from the likes of Wales and Iceland. It's been a very good tournament and the professional players who didn't take part will no doubt be well up for the new season.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:02 am

MM very astute in linking smaller nations' performances in the Euros with our direction of travel. Taken with ME's opaque comments concerning squad funding towards the end of last season, reinforced by Ian Milne's consistent mantra regarding wages, FFP and being competitive etc, and now MM's comments regarding doing our best on limited resources etc - come down to expectation management. For some, this will mean 'low or none'. We'll see.

I think, however, this is proving to be a cracking competition, enhanced by the exploits of both Wales and Iceland. Contrast the way in which their loss to France - glorious defeat, universally applauded - stacks up against England's loss to Iceland: embarrassing and universally condemned. Perhaps the latter will galvanise the basket case that is the English FA to remove their heads from their arses.

Both semis are not forgone conclusions btw!

shabba · Post by **shabba** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:04 am

I think everyone is missing a big point here........surely with FFP rules ME cannot invest big sums? We already run at a loss, spending a ton on wages/transfers would put us well outside of the FFP surely.

Villa/Newcastle can do it because they have big sponsorship deals, parachute payments etc.

It's important we build a good team spirits, as others have said just look at Leicester.
Also annoys me all this 'BUY QUALITY PLAYERS' - ok I challenge those people to provide some realistic targets? Name some names please, who can we sign, who will come here, who won't want insane wages etc.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:48 am

excellent points there shabba. which is why we have the best manager around to work within these constraints and why the Club made the decision to go the "grow yer own" root ( pardon the pun ).I'd say we are now entering some exciting times as a whole crop of youngsters are about to emerge from the Academy nest and fledge over the next 2 seasons.

COYBs

shabba · Post by **shabba** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 10:56 am

I honestly think Mick is a great manager at this level, I can't see who we would get who would do better. Many bigger names have tried and failed with bigger budgets in this league.

I also think we have a great academy compared to most clubs in the league, and I also think without ME we would be in league 1 and have nothing like the squad we have now.

I feel we have a pretty good squad at this level. I think last year Mick went to try and address squad depth, i.e we had a good XI and another good 7+ players backing them up. It's a long season so I can see that vision, but in the end a few of the players didn't pay off.

My main worry this year is the loss of Fraser, and to a lesser extend Niles. Fraser IMO was too good for this league. The rest of the squad is good, Sears/McGoldrick/Murphy can all score at this level, the defence is pretty good and we have talent coming through in midfield with Bishop, Hyam and the solid Skuse to rely on.
We badly need some pace/creativly on the wings and we will be in with a shot providing we have good team spirit.

One thing we have now is work ethic, this shouldn't be under-estimated, the Burley Era we played awesome football but had zero backbone, we had no fight at all. Now we are always a tough side to play against, ok the football is pretty poor but you can't have everything. Mick has done an amazing job given the restraints.

WBBlue · Post by **WBBlue** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:58 am

shabba wrote:I think everyone is missing a big point here........surely with FFP rules ME cannot invest big sums? We already run at a loss, spending a ton on wages/transfers would put us well outside of the FFP surely.

Villa/Newcastle can do it because they have big sponsorship deals, parachute payments etc.

It's important we build a good team spirits, as others have said just look at Leicester.
Also annoys me all this 'BUY QUALITY PLAYERS' - ok I challenge those people to provide some realistic targets? Name some names please, who can we sign, who will come here, who won't want insane wages etc.

Don't forget though, that the FFP rules have now been relaxed, which is why some clubs are going for it is a "big" way - the losses are no longer in a single season but are over 3 seasons allowing for circa £13m loss each year on average to a total of about £39m. Therefore a lot of clubs are taking the gamble / making the business decision that over 3 years they can cover these losses with the prize of say £120m minimum as a retun on the investment (not a bad ROI if it works). Of course if this approach fails then there are the penalties - which to date seem inconsequential as transfer embargos don't have a huge effect if you already have the players at the club (just stops trading - if it was a points deduction for breaking rules it would have more bite). As long as the owners can / are happy to cover the actual losses then there is limited risk in attempting what they want for their investment. On the basis that generally in business more money expended, correctly managed, gives a better return, it means we have to overcome 3 relegated teams plus say 6 or 7 more teams that are taking this approach. Therefore our current (perceived) £5m per season losses will need to be better managed than around 50% of these plus any other teams that have the same approach as us. In conclusion we will need to punch above our (financial) weight by about 6 places vs expenditure in order to get into the play- offs or by 10 places to get into the automatic positions. The question is, is this a likely scenario season after season?

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:49 pm

Agree that FFP is only one constraint faced by ME in deciding how much he is able/willing to invest; and with that constraint now eased, some clubs - Shef Wed for example - are prepared to gamble.

In terms of maximising the benefits of his own investment, both in meeting the delta between the club's income and expenditure, and in capital investment sufficient to build a squad capable of promotion, ME's strategy should by now be self-evident: more of the same. MM appears to have accepted, even embraced, the challenges that brings. How it determines where we, the supporters, set our expectations will to some extent be reflected in final ST sales. (Accepting that, for some folk, the priority is the style and entertainment value of football being played).

Some interesting debates on here over the months to come methinks! But without a ball having been kicked, the possibility of MM conducting some shrewd loan/transfer market business and a realistic view of the current and emerging talent, I think it's too soon to put on the Leonard Cohen and spend next season in a darkened room!

patthegimp · Post by **patthegimp** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:10 pm

19 Jun 2016 08:06:51
Ipswich Town have reportedly placed a bid for Ferencvaros and Hungary playmaker, Adam Nagy. The 21yr old has greatly impressed scouts at the European Championships. The fee is expected to be in the region of between £700,000 and £1m.

Has this already been covered on the rumours site?

shabba · Post by **shabba** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:25 pm

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/02/re ... internati/

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/ ... gy-4136321

be v surprised if we signed him!

patthegimp · Post by **patthegimp** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:43 pm

Leicester, Benfica, Marseille and Southampton- no real competition then

Post by **Bluemike** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:46 pm

shabba wrote:I think everyone is missing a big point here........surely with FFP rules ME cannot invest big sums? We already run at a loss, spending a ton on wages/transfers would put us well outside of the FFP surely.

Villa/Newcastle can do it because they have big sponsorship deals, parachute payments etc.

It's important we build a good team spirits, as others have said just look at Leicester.
Also annoys me all this 'BUY QUALITY PLAYERS' - ok I challenge those people to provide some realistic targets? Name some names please, who can we sign, who will come here, who won't want insane wages etc.

I love you Shabba !!!!!! Here was me thinking I was ploughing a lone furrow for the last 2 years.

derick_ipsw · Post by **derick_ipsw** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:04 pm

bluemike wrote:
shabba wrote:I think everyone is missing a big point here........surely with FFP rules ME cannot invest big sums? We already run at a loss, spending a ton on wages/transfers would put us well outside of the FFP surely.

Villa/Newcastle can do it because they have big sponsorship deals, parachute payments etc.

It's important we build a good team spirits, as others have said just look at Leicester.
Also annoys me all this 'BUY QUALITY PLAYERS' - ok I challenge those people to provide some realistic targets? Name some names please, who can we sign, who will come here, who won't want insane wages etc.
I love you Shabba !!!!!! Here was me thinking I was ploughing a lone furrow for the last 2 years.

Cue for a song "SHABBA" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcWif3u4A0A Mr Lover man.

Post by **Bluemike** » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:47 pm

Derick that is one terrible song !!!! Well found though.

Post by **Bluemike** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 6:55 am

Ipswich Town would like Ainsley Maitland-Niles back from Arsenal, but Mick McCarthy admits it will be a waiting game when it comes to loan deals.

The ‘emergency’ loan system has controversially been scrapped for 2016/17, meaning Football League clubs will now no longer be able to sign players outside of the summer and January transfer windows.

Town have used this market to supplemented their squad with players such as Jonny Williams, Liam Feeney, Ben Pringle, Luke Varney, Noel Hunt and Richard Chaplow in recent years, while they have sent out their own players to either build fitness after injury or gain valuable first team experience – Luke Hyam and Josh Emmanuel two respective examples.

Now the only option when it comes to loans will be half-season or full season.

It’s understood McCarthy would like to bring 18-year-old midfielder Maitland-Niles back for another season from Arsenal, while the club has conceded there is no chance of Ryan Fraser returning from Bournemouth following his impressive campaign at Portman Road.

With wingers badly needed, discussions with several Premier League clubs about plenty of young players are on-going.

“We’re just waiting,” said McCarthy. “We’re not going to go out, just select somebody and spend loads of money on them.

“We’ll wait and see what we can get on loan. If you look, there’s not that much happening. Managers come back for pre-season and see what they’ve got.

“The teams that have had plenty of players at the European Championships will give their (international) players an extended break and therefore any squad players behind them will be used and utilised in pre-season games, tours and training.

“Anybody that is going to be let out on loan – who we’ll now have to take window-to-window or for the whole season – won’t be made available for a bit yet. The Premier League clubs will be holding their younger ones back for a while.

“We’re talking to people but, as yet, nothing is happening.”

AMN is such a difficult player to pass judgement on, brilliant in flashes and total cack other times, I suppose we could do a lot worse.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:35 am

bluemike wrote:
Ipswich Town would like Ainsley Maitland-Niles back from Arsenal, but Mick McCarthy admits it will be a waiting game when it comes to loan deals.

The ‘emergency’ loan system has controversially been scrapped for 2016/17, meaning Football League clubs will now no longer be able to sign players outside of the summer and January transfer windows.

Town have used this market to supplemented their squad with players such as Jonny Williams, Liam Feeney, Ben Pringle, Luke Varney, Noel Hunt and Richard Chaplow in recent years, while they have sent out their own players to either build fitness after injury or gain valuable first team experience – Luke Hyam and Josh Emmanuel two respective examples.

Now the only option when it comes to loans will be half-season or full season.

It’s understood McCarthy would like to bring 18-year-old midfielder Maitland-Niles back for another season from Arsenal, while the club has conceded there is no chance of Ryan Fraser returning from Bournemouth following his impressive campaign at Portman Road.

With wingers badly needed, discussions with several Premier League clubs about plenty of young players are on-going.

“We’re just waiting,” said McCarthy. “We’re not going to go out, just select somebody and spend loads of money on them.

“We’ll wait and see what we can get on loan. If you look, there’s not that much happening. Managers come back for pre-season and see what they’ve got.

“The teams that have had plenty of players at the European Championships will give their (international) players an extended break and therefore any squad players behind them will be used and utilised in pre-season games, tours and training.

“Anybody that is going to be let out on loan – who we’ll now have to take window-to-window or for the whole season – won’t be made available for a bit yet. The Premier League clubs will be holding their younger ones back for a while.

“We’re talking to people but, as yet, nothing is happening.”
AMN is such a difficult player to pass judgement on, brilliant in flashes and total cack other times, I suppose we could do a lot worse.

That's what you get with a 'work in progress' player, but one with undoubted potential. I never felt AMN was entirely happy being on loan here, so even if Arsenal were prepared to agree a further loan, not sure whether the lad would want to return. But that could be total cack! If he did come, and could nail down a regular place and make a difference, it would help his overall development, and give us options. (MM might of course have developed a soft spot for his Mum!)

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 10:14 am

I agree with you there. it didn't help when a few planks booed. him when he went through a lean spell. Which tbh other than the initial couple of months, was the majority of of his loan period.

Personally I don't think he's good enough for the task we have at this level. He's incapable of keeping possession of the ball.

I'd rather we gave our own kids game time and developed them.

Andym · Post by **Andym** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 11:31 am

hallamblue wrote:I agree with you there. it didn't help when a few planks booed. him when he went through a lean spell. Which tbh other than the initial couple of months, was the majority of of his loan period.

Personally I don't think he's good enough for the task we have at this level. He's incapable of keeping possession of the ball.

I'd rather we gave our own kids game time and developed them.

I agree with all that. I wonder how much if his failure was down to bring played mire centrally. His initial success was a result if using his pace down the wing. I can't see many fans seeing his recall as progress.

Tangfastic · Post by **Tangfastic** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:36 pm

Andym wrote:
hallamblue wrote:I agree with you there. it didn't help when a few planks booed. him when he went through a lean spell. Which tbh other than the initial couple of months, was the majority of of his loan period.

Personally I don't think he's good enough for the task we have at this level. He's incapable of keeping possession of the ball.

I'd rather we gave our own kids game time and developed them.
I agree with all that. I wonder how much if his failure was down to bring played mire centrally. His initial success was a result if using his pace down the wing. I can't see many fans seeing his recall as progress.

Agree with giving our own kids a chance and that it would not be progress for him to return. A bit hard on the kid as he's only 18/19. He's had a good bit of education last year from us - but can't see his future being with us and giving him experience is for Arsenal's benefit - not ours. Play our kids instead - unless we have someone special like Ryan Fraser on loan - which is pretty rare.

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:58 pm

Taking the right loanees is invariably a two-way street between the involved clubs. If done astutely, then the receiving club takes a player who can improve squad quality, provide the manager with options and, ultimately, help to win football matches. The donating club benefits from the experience gained from regular C'ship soccer. Always a balance of risks. But because our own youngsters will not be physically or mentally capable of withstanding the rigours of the C'ship over an entire season, looking at our current strength in depth and knowing that ME isn't going to commit large on permanent signings of, say, Fraser or Williams' quality, then good use of the loan system appears sensible, if it improves our chances in a highly competitive league.

This is where MM earns some of the salary ME pays him!

Post by **Bluemike** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:25 pm

I agree with Hallam regarding the planks who booed him, so counter productive it's untrue. However I too am of the opinion that this is not really the answer nor do i see it as progress, young or otherwise i think there must be better out there than AMN, Forshaw & Harriott are Two examples of that !!

However found this on an Arsenal site so it looks like there could be some mileage in it.

http://goonertalk.com/2016/07/05/arsena ... long-loan/

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:44 pm

Interesting reference to the Sudbury Mercury! Not an organ I'm that familiar wth - but probably means it will happen.

number 9 · Post by **number 9** » Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:42 pm

http://www.greenun24.co.uk/ipswich-town ... _1_4604669
Did someone already post this? This is the first of heard of it.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:10 am

Yes he signed yesterday in think. He's been with our Academy I believe.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:26 am

http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/burnley_win ... _1_4608053

Would like this to happen. He's still only 30 and would give us much needed experienced wing play down the right. I remember him ripping us to shreds in 2009 when Wolves beat us 3-0 at PR.

Hope something can be worked out.

Jamma123 · Post by **Jamma123** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:03 am

hallamblue wrote:http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/burnley_win ... _1_4608053

Would like this to happen. He's still only 30 and would give us much needed experienced wing play down the right. I remember him ripping us to shreds in 2009 when Wolves beat us 3-0 at PR.

Hope something can be worked out.

I agree with this. Still a very handy player at this level, and could provide the solution to (one of) our vacant wing positions...

herforder · Post by **herforder** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:08 pm

Yes, would be a good addition - if a sensible deal can be done.

derick_ipsw · Post by **derick_ipsw** » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:30 pm

Cant see us paying a fee for him. Maybe a season long loan with Town paying some of his wages is the best we could hope for.

Post by **Bluemike** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 10:51 am

derick_ipsw wrote:Cant see us paying a fee for him. Maybe a season long loan with Town paying some of his wages is the best we could hope for.

Agree with this, don't see us matching his wage demands which is why I don't see this happening. I would like him in though.

Tangfastic · Post by **Tangfastic** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:01 pm

Could be a good buy/loan, but really unsure if he's still get what it takes.

Let's face it - and he knows too - his best days are over. It's all about his desire to really want to play regular football.

Sometimes you can get a player at 30+ who really has the drive to want to contribute and add to the team, but you can get someone who just wants that juicy, last contract. Also, he's a wide player and - I dunno - at 30, has he still got the pace and trickery? Players over 30 who excel tend to be better in CM or CB where they use their experience rather than their pace more. There will be exceptions, but I'm always wary of too many 30 + players on the books. Mick likes and trusts them because they know the game, but you do need some raw talent and youth there to add a bit of unpredictability.

hallamblue · Post by **hallamblue** » Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:42 pm

Just nicked this off TWTD......any ideas who this young PL player might be guys?;

Now, I don't usually do def info stuff. But, here's a little titbit.

Mick is interested in a young midfielder (on loan, I think) from a Prem club. He's been in for him a couple of times before, but it's now looking very possible. He's 21, a central or wide midfielder who has spent time on loan elsewhere before. He takes free kicks and corners, gets around the pitch.

How do I know this? I bumped into his uncle earlier today (a friend of mine) who volunteered the information, knowing I am a Town fan. He seemed enthusiastic about him - but, being his uncle, he would be.

I can't guarantee he's coming, but we're definitely in for him. And his uncle and dad have said it would be a good move.

There you go. Make of that what you will.

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