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3 Pointer - Yes or No?

Town Win
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40%
Cardiff Win
5
33%
Draw
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27%
 
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Post by herforder » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:12 pm

Charnwood wrote:Thank for the report Mike. It's not what I wanted to read but much in line with what I expected. To be honest this team bores me shitless and I'm gradually losing interest. I had planned to travel to Birmingham on Tuesday for my first game of the season having travelled back from Spain yesterday, but I simply can't be bothered and don't want to waste either my time or money.

Whilst I've lost much of my respect for MM who I don't think helps himself with either his team selections or his tactics, I don't think there's much point changing him whilst Marcus Evans owns the club.

ME's Ownership of our football club is the root of the problem and so long as his ownership continues we're going nowhere and sadly I can only see the situation getting worse.

I hope this isn't an over reaction but simply an explanation of how I feel right now.
Agree that ME and MM are effectively joined at the hip. ME sets the financial boundaries, MM willingly accepts them, and wastes no time telling us how well he's done under 'that gig'. But then he's getting paid very well for doing so. However, what's starting to set in is a bunker mentality between the Club and supporters. Nothing in terms of communicating future plans from a detached/disinterested owner, whilst MM's interviews and comments become increasingly defensive and confrontational. Supporters being alienated not just by what happens on the pitch, but by a very real feeling that they're seen as an annoying, but necessary, inconvienience.
Not helped by a local media who are about as effective as a dead sheep.

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Post by marko69 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:30 pm

herforder wrote:Supporters being alienated not just by what happens on the pitch, but by a very real feeling that they're seen as an annoying, but necessary, inconvienience.
I have no doubt you speak from the heart here, and if you are touching on the truth with that ^^^^, I think maybe the majority of supporters should maybe think about doing a "Rossi" as this could potentially be the only solution. Maybe if home gates get down to between 8 & 10K, "the powers that be" may sit up and take notice. Make them know a genuine problem exists. If Neil Lennon ever made me feel like a total inconvenience, I think I'd quit attending until he was removed.

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Post by Charnwood » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:37 pm

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Charnwood wrote:Thank for the report Mike. It's not what I wanted to read but much in line with what I expected. To be honest this team bores me shitless and I'm gradually losing interest. I had planned to travel to Birmingham on Tuesday for my first game of the season having travelled back from Spain yesterday, but I simply can't be bothered and don't want to waste either my time or money.

Whilst I've lost much of my respect for MM who I don't think helps himself with either his team selections or his tactics, I don't think there's much point changing him whilst Marcus Evans owns the club.

ME's Ownership of our football club is the root of the problem and so long as his ownership continues we're going nowhere and sadly I can only see the situation getting worse.

I hope this isn't an over reaction but simply an explanation of how I feel right now.

You're alright Charney. Every fan appears to eventually come to the same conclusion that you have now done, and Mike has increasingly voiced. We all have different levels of patience. I lost mine a season ago.

The thing that strikes me about MM is he and TC, is they have a very rigid game plan. It doesn't matter who we are playing, it's the same game plan. We set up to keep it tight and not conceded. Ideally to go in at half time 0-0. This pattern continues into the search on half, and then all being well if the game is still evens, he'll stick on a more attacking player....... usually around the 70th min, and essentially try and "nick" the game. The brown stuff hits the cab when the back four decide to gift a soft goal, which we did again today.

We have some decent players in the squad and some very decent youngsters just waiting to get their chance to shine. But in truth they stand little chance under Mick tenure. He likes his "real blokes", that can win a battle. He's afraid to attack, and doesn't know how to do so , and, keep a tight back line. The problem is the squad now looks totally devoid of confidence, and playing at home is pressurised. The atmosphere is not aggressive just flat as ditch water .

Evans has to make his intentions, PLAN known to the fans. It's only a matter of weeks now before the Club will be after ST renewals. They are going to be in for one he'll of a shock, unless Evans does something perceived as positive.

If you look back Liz I think you'll find I came much to the same conclusion quite some time ago. It's just that I try to contain my feelings and still support the Football Club that's been a big part of my life for the past 55yrs. I've been looking forward to watching my first game this season for guide a few weeks but now it's only a few days away I simply can't be bothered to drive to Birmingham on a cold damp Tuesday night and waste £60- £70 in the process.

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Post by herforder » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:58 pm

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herforder wrote:Supporters being alienated not just by what happens on the pitch, but by a very real feeling that they're seen as an annoying, but necessary, inconvienience.
I have no doubt you speak from the heart here, and if you are touching on the truth with that ^^^^, I think maybe the majority of supporters should maybe think about doing a "Rossi" as this could potentially be the only solution. Maybe if home gates get down to between 8 & 10K, "the powers that be" may sit up and take notice. Make them know a genuine problem exists. If Neil Lennon ever made me feel like a total inconvenience, I think I'd quit attending until he was removed.
Yes. Whilst today's attendance was given as around 15,000, the reality was between 10 and 12k. Many empty seats, where ST holders just hadn't bothered to turn up. No doubt the club will say it's getting close to Xmas, and it was a dull, grey, day etc. But in reality it's been a similar situation at recent home matches. This has clearly registered with the Club. Ian Milne explaining on local radio today that a critical look at ticket pricing and structures currently in progress - whilst acknowledging that the product on offer is currently not good enough. I think there's an internal battle going on within the club, between the 'business' and playing sides.

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Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:00 pm

marko69 wrote:Saw some highlights...... I think Sol may have been a tad pi$$ed off with Douglas' side boot into the shin/ankle area and nothing was given. No idea what Douglas was doing and why the ref didn't give anything. Obviously couldn't control his anger after that. Looked a sore one though.

Nice finish by Varney, although I'd doubt the Cardiff defence and goalkeeper want to see it again.
It's very rare that I agree with anything Marko ever says, but having just watched what happened on tv I have to concur.

Awful tackle by Douglas - studs showing and the sort of tackle that can end somebody's career. I'm not surprised that Sol Bamba was so incensed.

Unfortunately, this is a trait in Douglas' game - he frequently goes in with studs showing. He is, quite simply, a nasty Irish b@stard, and the sooner the club gets rid of him the better.

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Post by marko69 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:18 pm

It's ok Rossi, I only gave a sh*t because Sol once played for Hibs, I've met him and he's a top bloke. Let's get back to disagreeing. I reckon ITFC would be worse removing Douglas from the midfield. He's not the problem.

And this "nasty Irish b*stard" business? Calm yourself. . You tarring all the Irish with Roy Keanes brush?

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Post by hallamblue » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:18 pm

Gary, it won't happen anytime soon. Douglas is one of Mick's "proper blokes" . Nuff said.

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Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:51 pm

marko69 wrote:It's ok Rossi, I only gave a sh*t because Sol once played for Hibs, I've met him and he's a top bloke. Let's get back to disagreeing. I reckon ITFC would be worse removing Douglas from the midfield. He's not the problem.

And this "nasty Irish b*stard" business? Calm yourself. . You tarring all the Irish with Roy Keanes brush?
Haha - I'm not saying he's necessarily the problem we have in midfield (I reserve that for Skuse), but he does have a tendency to go in with all studs showing, so yeah, he's a nasty sod.

As for tarring all Irish with RK's brush, well......it's a bloody big brush!!!!

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Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:54 pm

hallamblue wrote:Gary, it won't happen anytime soon. Douglas is one of Mick's "proper blokes" . Nuff said.
Agreed Liz - I'd love to see a starting line-up without Berra, Skuse, Chambers, and Douglas; because I'm absolutely convinced we would do better without them, but as you so rightly say, MM will never do that.

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Post by Tangfastic » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:03 am

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herforder wrote:
marko69 wrote:Saw some highlights...... I think Sol may have been a tad pi$$ed off with Douglas' side boot into the shin/ankle area and nothing was given. No idea what Douglas was doing and why the ref didn't give anything. Obviously couldn't control his anger after that. Looked a sore one though.

Nice finish by Varney, although I'd doubt the Cardiff defence and goalkeeper want to see it again.
Most in the ground had no idea what Douglas was doing - for around 80 mins. Very ironic applause when he was finally removed. (Not particularly nice to hear, but MM must take a large slice of responsibility for selecting him. Simply not good enough.)
That will do wonders for his confidence. :roll:
No offence to Douglas, but I'm not really sure Douglas is a confidence player., whose lack of confidence will inhibit his creative spark. Those ironic cheers are aimed mostly at Mick selecting him.
If you're worried about players confidence ..... what about young players who are never really given an opportunity and dropped at the first instance for Mick's undroppables ( Douglas being one of them). Could not give a flying f*ck about Douglas' confidence TBH.

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Post by herforder » Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:32 am

marko69 wrote:It's ok Rossi, I only gave a sh*t because Sol once played for Hibs, I've met him and he's a top bloke. Let's get back to disagreeing. I reckon ITFC would be worse removing Douglas from the midfield. He's not the problem.

And this "nasty Irish b*stard" business? Calm yourself. . You tarring all the Irish with Roy Keanes brush?
Douglas' midfield contribution - both in creative or defensive modes - is negligible. He's slow, ponderous on the ball and frequently lets the game go on around him, and loses out on countless second balls. We have better. But MM has to stop using two the centre mid players as belt and braces defensive protection. Of the two, Skuse - himself at best average - is the holding player etc. I don't think Douglas will start on Tuesday.

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Post by Bluemike » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:25 am

No offence to Douglas, but I'm not really sure Douglas is a confidence player., whose lack of confidence will inhibit his creative spark. Those ironic cheers are aimed mostly at Mick selecting him.
If you're worried about players confidence ..... what about young players who are never really given an opportunity and dropped at the first instance for Mick's undroppables ( Douglas being one of them). Could not give a flying f*ck about Douglas' confidence TBH.

Douglas is not undroppable, he was dropped from the whole squad not that long ago and we failed to win any of the games I believe.

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Post by The Odious Mr Rossi » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:02 pm

bluemike wrote:
No offence to Douglas, but I'm not really sure Douglas is a confidence player., whose lack of confidence will inhibit his creative spark. Those ironic cheers are aimed mostly at Mick selecting him.
If you're worried about players confidence ..... what about young players who are never really given an opportunity and dropped at the first instance for Mick's undroppables ( Douglas being one of them). Could not give a flying f*ck about Douglas' confidence TBH.

Douglas is not undroppable, he was dropped from the whole squad not that long ago and we failed to win any of the games I believe.
Quite correct Mike. As I see it, we have 2 defensive midfielders who are both average at best. Play one or the other, fine; just not both together ffs

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Post by derick_ipsw » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:24 pm

MM it is time for a change. You play the same team week in week out and it is mediocre at best. Can you please try something different, if don't work fine, because what your doing at the moment is not working either. Try this.

Bart

Chambers Webster Berra

Skuse

Ward Williams Bishop Lawrence

Mcgoldrick

Best.

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Post by Tangfastic » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:25 pm

bluemike wrote:
No offence to Douglas, but I'm not really sure Douglas is a confidence player., whose lack of confidence will inhibit his creative spark. Those ironic cheers are aimed mostly at Mick selecting him.
If you're worried about players confidence ..... what about young players who are never really given an opportunity and dropped at the first instance for Mick's undroppables ( Douglas being one of them). Could not give a flying f*ck about Douglas' confidence TBH.

Douglas is not undroppable, he was dropped from the whole squad not that long ago and we failed to win any of the games I believe.
Mike, yes he did get dropped, but didn't we get a win against Sheffield Wed without him? This is getting into splitting hair territory. Point is .... Mick wants him in that team, never wanted to drop him in the first place and preached big-time at us after the QPR win about how he's essential to his side. Personal thing for me..., that's more about Mick trying to prove a point by half-heartedly dropping him and bringing him back at first opportunity.

I'm not a Douglas-hater, but this is more about Mick choosing a second defensive-midfielder.
We ship less goals, but if we can't try over a reasonable period to try and be more positive , we'll never get anywhere. Having Williams un-used is criminal- especially against 10 men.

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Post by Andym » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:16 pm

Maybe I'm in a minority of 1, but I actually quite enjoyed the game. We dominated possession throughout and our passing was the most accurate I can remember. However, despite that, Cardiff probably had as many shots as we did, and Bart had to make significantly more good saves than his Cardiff counterpart.

So despite what I thought was an enjoyable performance, these were the failings in me eyes:

1. Bart's error for the goal. Apart from that, and a poor punch shortly afterwards, he had a decent game.

2. Defensively, not too bad, although Chambers and Knudsen fail to provide anything useful if and when they get forward. Their distribution remains poor. Webster was again solid and brought the ball out of defence very well. My man of the match.

3. Midfield. Ward was largely invisible. Did very little of note. Skuse... had a decent enough game by his standards, but it's not enough. 2 examples. In the first half, he dared to venture forward, the crowd urged him to shoot. he looked embarrassed to be caught that high up the pitch and didn't know what to do in such an advanced position. Second half, played a 10 yard pass to someone slightly forward of him. Stood still rather than moving forward to support. Douglas is just too old and slow now. He gets about the pitch but lacks pace as well as a decisive pass. The foul that led to the sending off was crude and unfortunately typical of an ageing player who is off the pace, like the 40-year-old playing Sunday league. Also, many of Cardiff's better efforts seemed to come from positions in front of the defence where you would hope a midfieder might be closing down. The bright spot was undoubtedly Lawrence, but his insistence on running with the ball until he loses it adds excitement but produces nothing. He needs to learn to release the ball more quickly (the same criticism I levelled at Bishop last season).

4. Strikers. I was pleased to see Varney start as I think we need someone as a target man. Unfortunately he was beaten in the air all afternoon. Still ran about, causing problems by pressurising defenders, and a nice goal. McGoldrick showed his class, but seemed determined to shoot at every opportunity, often from 30 yards when there were players in front of him.

5. Subs. Pitman is not a target man in my eyes and struggled to do anything. Sears offered nothing but again was played wide where we know he is ineffective. I disagree with Bluemike about Bishop; the second he came on he ran into space, demanded the ball from the throw in, played a pass and demanded it back. Later on he picked up the ball deep in his own half and moved forward with the ball until he won a free kick on the edge of the box for McGoldrick to blast over. I his 10 minutes he contributed more than Skuse, Douglas or Ward all game.

Despite all the above, I enjoyed our possession and passing. We lack the ability to create chances. This is because our fullbacks can't get forward and cross a decent ball, Ward was not in the game, central midfield too ponderous and unadventurous, and McGoldrick and Lawrence, for all their good play, not bringing others into the game.

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Post by marko69 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:59 pm

That ^ is a very good match report. Thanks for putting that out.

The part about Lawrence running until he loses it, and needing to release the ball earlier....... As a seasoned attendee at the football, this scenario is arguably the most frustrating. Hibs, over the years, have had many players who've spent weeknights watching Champions League football, then came out on a Saturday afternoon thinking they are Iniesta or Messi. Very frustrating.

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Post by Shed on tour » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:01 pm

marko69 wrote:That ^ is a very good match report. Thanks for putting that out.

The part about Lawrence running until he loses it, and needing to release the ball earlier....... As a seasoned attendee at the football, this scenario is arguably the most frustrating. Hibs, over the years, have had many players who've spent weeknights watching Champions League football, then came out on a Saturday afternoon thinking they are Iniesta or Messi. Very frustrating.
Unfortunately our Messi left us and ended up at Alania Vladikavkaz. :wink:

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Post by marko69 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:16 pm

Shed on tour wrote:Unfortunately our Messi left us and ended up at Alania Vladikavkaz. :wink:
You are talking complete tampons there, Shed! :D

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Post by arana peligrosa » Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:16 am

All said it was something of (another) lackluster encounter with missed opportunity and players spurning the chance to provide something better. Caught the incident where their opposition player had a tantrum of sorts and while perhaps the highlight for both sets of supporters on an otherwise ordinary afternoon, was something of a non-event.

Lost count the number of instances where the team have faced opposition in the relegation zone, particularly with home advantage, and let points slip by or not taken full opportunity. Yesterday seemed just one further example.

Of course, the score changes little, either by way of league position or perhaps more importantly, pushing relevant names closer to an exit from the club. McCarthy's blatant defense minded philosophy would have been clearly pleased that 'we didn't lose' and would see a draw (regardless of circumstance) as something of a positive result.

Fair enough some may have seen reason for belief at the end of it all but the majority will have witnessed little change and merely another score and performance to move on from and anticipating some level of improvement in games ahead.

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