5 point plan my arse!!

[ipswichtownNo1]

Kundai benyu is off to Celtic. Feck off evens and co, you cant organise a p*ss up in a brewery on away day!! Were gonna keep the youngsters and bring them on......yet you sell them or mick wont play them......you raise season ticket prices and reduce gate prices........and then give cash back to early bird ticket holders. Do you just make it up every monday morning each week??? Feckin joke.

[marko69]

Do you just make it up every monday morning each week??? Feckin joke.

There is a comedy script in there ^^^ somewhere......., get writing it, ITNO1!

[Bluemike]

Benyu has by his own admission been a complete arse, last year he openly apologised for his sh*t attitude and lack of professionalism and promised to knuckle down, clearly MM was not happy but stated he wanted to keep the lad despite the issues. Now Benyu fails to turn up for pre season clearly his head has been turned by bigger clubs, quite what Mick can do I don't know but I guess it's the norm to apportion blame to him or Evans. Good riddance I say, jumped up f**king prima Donna.

[herforder]

Has his move to Celtic been confirmed - not sure? Given his obvious attitude issues, would be surprised if Brendan Rogers would take a punt on largely unproven potential. There are plenty, similar, out there to target; a loan spell at Aldershot securing a move Celtic is a tad bizarre! He must have shown blistering potential.

Whilst disappointing to loose him, given previous investment in his development, far better to concentrate on those who clearly want to be here, and show both loyalty and respect. It may well prove, as has happened so often in the past, that he's getting his 'A's confused: ambition and ability. Time will tell, but we move on.

Afternote: Move to Celtic now confirmed. Funny old game!

[ipswichtownNo1]

Maybe his poor attitude is just frustration at not getting a chance to progress. We all know MM favours old wise heads. Im not saying kundai is right to behave that way but youngsters often find it hard to relate true feelings in the cirrect manner.

[herforder]

Agree, there's always two sides - we'll probably never know the fine detail. But it's now academic, and hopefully won't affect the club's management of other youngsters coming through.

[BLUEBLOOD]

He has signed a 4 year deal, says we will get something??
http://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/kundai-beny ... -1-5084887

[marko69]

He can look forward to cold, miserable Wednesday nights for the Celtic reserves at Motherwell.

[Bluemike]

I don't accept there are 2 sides to this particular story, Benyu admitted a year ago he was bang out of order, we offered him a contract FFS and the little sh*t couldn't even turn up here. Sod off as far as I'm concerned.

[hallamblue]

I'd say . no . loss!

He's clearly going for the big bucks. I doubt he'll make their bench in Champions League games. As for SPL, Pah!!

[number 9]

Yeah I have to agree with BM on this one. Benyu can p*ss off as far as I'm concerned. f*ck the 5 point plan anyway; it's not realistic. Tell you what tho, if MM can't get Garner scoring goals it'll be another RK/PJ scenario. My opinion, just stop being a defensive pussy MM! Put the boys to work! I expect an undefeated pre-season! Yeah, we'll see...

[Bluemike]

You know what No.9 I am never overly bothered by pre season results as such, obviously positive results are nice but just getting up to fitness and no injuries are key for me.

[Dubai Blue]

Reckon the main objective will just be for the lads to learn each other's names

[J4ck22]

Maybe his poor attitude is just frustration at not getting a chance to progress. We all know MM favours old wise heads. Im not saying kundai is right to behave that way but youngsters often find it hard to relate true feelings in the cirrect manner.

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There are stats out there somewhere that actually proves we gave young players more game time than almost everyone else in the league, so I have no idea what you're basing that on because in comparison to others we're actually doing pretty well with bringing youngsters through.

Benyu needs to earn the right to progress in the same way that Bishop, Dozzell, Emmanuel and Kenlock did. The fact that he's already bigheaded without playing a first team game outside of the Conference says a lot about his character. He can do one for all I care.

[ipswichtownNo1]

Maybe his poor attitude is just frustration at not getting a chance to progress. We all know MM favours old wise heads. Im not saying kundai is right to behave that way but youngsters often find it hard to relate true feelings in the cirrect manner.

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There are stats out there somewhere that actually proves we gave young players more game time than almost everyone else in the league, so I have no idea what you're basing that on because in comparison to others we're actually doing pretty well with bringing youngsters through.

Benyu needs to earn the right to progress in the same way that Bishop, Dozzell, Emmanuel and Kenlock did. The fact that he's already bigheaded without playing a first team game outside of the Conference says a lot about his character. He can do one for all I care.

Take the left and rightback positions out if those stats and see how they look then. It was due to injurys etc that they were played.

[Tangfastic]

Maybe his poor attitude is just frustration at not getting a chance to progress. We all know MM favours old wise heads. Im not saying kundai is right to behave that way but youngsters often find it hard to relate true feelings in the cirrect manner.

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There are stats out there somewhere that actually proves we gave young players more game time than almost everyone else in the league, so I have no idea what you're basing that on because in comparison to others we're actually doing pretty well with bringing youngsters through.

Benyu needs to earn the right to progress in the same way that Bishop, Dozzell, Emmanuel and Kenlock did. The fact that he's already bigheaded without playing a first team game outside of the Conference says a lot about his character. He can do one for all I care.

Take the left and rightback positions out if those stats and see how they look then. It was due to injurys etc that they were played.

Could not agree more. Stats can be misleading - and in this case unnecessary. Dozzell did not progress last season and could have done with more appearances of the bench. Bishop went further backwards (injuries - but feel he's further back in Mick's mind) and the only one who stands a chance is Kenlock. Emmanuel is really third-choice RB and likely to be loaned out.

Bottom line - Mick did not trust our youth as much as he could and really MK/JE only got a sniff when there were injuries. Straight out of the side when senior players returned.

As for Kundai - none of us knows the real story about attitudes, fall outs, etc. I'll lose no sleep over this - but always a bit sad to see a kid leave with potential. We should have more kids who could potentially break through and I hope Mick gives them a chance. Competition for places looks fiercer - and so its harder for a Dozzell to force his way in to oust a Huws or an Adeyemi - and pretty impossible to oust a Skuse.

[Dubai Blue]

I would expect junior players to be straight back out of the side as senior players return from injury. Last season was a tough one for the youngsters because for so many games we were chasing points. Success breeds success and this is a case in point. If we have a better season because of the apparent investment in new senior players then the kids are likely to get more game time and may have a faster development curve as a result.

People always talk about young players getting a chance under dear old Bobby but its much easier in a team that is doing well and where some rotation is needed for tired players playing in European competition. Scrapping away at the bottom of the second tier needs men not boys and could break some boys that would otherwise flourish if treated more gently.

I think the youngsters that played last season did pretty well, especially at the back in that 5 man system with 3 CBs that probably offers them more protection.

[Watership Down]

With Celtics squad he will be cleaning the boots again and maybe warming the bench as a spectator.

[Bluemike]

Anyone who saw young Dozzell play the odd time he did get a chance will know only too well he was not ready for the rigours of our "survival" last campaign, as for Bishop, nothing to do with him falling down the pecking order at all, the lad has missed pretty much Two whole seasons through injury, he would have been nailed on to play a lot of games, for me Kenlock & Emmanuel have been given a good crack of the whip and handled in the correct way.

[J4ck22]

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There are stats out there somewhere that actually proves we gave young players more game time than almost everyone else in the league, so I have no idea what you're basing that on because in comparison to others we're actually doing pretty well with bringing youngsters through.

Benyu needs to earn the right to progress in the same way that Bishop, Dozzell, Emmanuel and Kenlock did. The fact that he's already bigheaded without playing a first team game outside of the Conference says a lot about his character. He can do one for all I care.

Take the left and rightback positions out if those stats and see how they look then. It was due to injurys etc that they were played.

Could not agree more. Stats can be misleading - and in this case unnecessary. Dozzell did not progress last season and could have done with more appearances of the bench. Bishop went further backwards (injuries - but feel he's further back in Mick's mind) and the only one who stands a chance is Kenlock. Emmanuel is really third-choice RB and likely to be loaned out.

Bottom line - Mick did not trust our youth as much as he could and really MK/JE only got a sniff when there were injuries. Straight out of the side when senior players returned.

As for Kundai - none of us knows the real story about attitudes, fall outs, etc. I'll lose no sleep over this - but always a bit sad to see a kid leave with potential. We should have more kids who could potentially break through and I hope Mick gives them a chance. Competition for places looks fiercer - and so its harder for a Dozzell to force his way in to oust a Huws or an Adeyemi - and pretty impossible to oust a Skuse.

What do you mean that the stats are unnecessary? It literally proves that we played more young players than almost every team in the league. Which means that Mick has trusted youth more than almost every other manager in the league. It doesn't matter if it was because of injuries, those players were given a chance and they solidified a place in the squad, again more so than almost every other team in the league.

It seems to be a common criticism of Mick, but it actually doesn't hold any weight at all...

[herforder]

MM's taken 4 of the youngsters to the training camp in Ireland; no doubt Dozzell would also be there, if he wasn't playing for England's U-19s. Have to be realistic about how and when to use players still learning their trades. In a team battling to avoid possible relegation, in a physical, uncompromising, league is not in the best interests of either the team or individuals. To an extent, this was proven with young Dozzell last term.

[J4ck22]

Maybe his poor attitude is just frustration at not getting a chance to progress. We all know MM favours old wise heads. Im not saying kundai is right to behave that way but youngsters often find it hard to relate true feelings in the cirrect manner.

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There are stats out there somewhere that actually proves we gave young players more game time than almost everyone else in the league, so I have no idea what you're basing that on because in comparison to others we're actually doing pretty well with bringing youngsters through.

Benyu needs to earn the right to progress in the same way that Bishop, Dozzell, Emmanuel and Kenlock did. The fact that he's already bigheaded without playing a first team game outside of the Conference says a lot about his character. He can do one for all I care.

Take the left and rightback positions out if those stats and see how they look then. It was due to injurys etc that they were played.

'Take away the examples and you're left with no examples.'

That's pretty much what you just said...

[arana peligrosa]

Fair enough there's been some activity the past week regards additions to the squad and we're reading names such as Celina, Garner and Huws being brought in. Don't know what's been said but this is un-McCarthy like to move so quickly and do business to such an extent. Thought we'd leave it late until near start of (new) season and bring in one or two new faces but these actions would have caught a great many out.

Having some new kids on board is all very well and not to knock anyone until they've tried, but will be joining up with a team that's just endured one of the worst campaigns in recent history, low on morale, and with it, a manager / team who invariably plays defense-minded and unable to keep the play at ground level. Either these new signings will aid the team to better things or there'll be minimal change from before. You got the requisite pre-season games to come and doubtless each player will get their turn to put on a show, but prepared to wait until the real business are once again upon us.

[marko69]

...... but will be joining up with a team that's just endured one of the worst campaigns in recent history, low on morale......,

If that's true, then the existing squad is suffering from f**king depression.

It's the summer, man....... players were on their holidays having a GREAT time! Last season was ages ago, ancient history. It's done, gone, ..... there is no "low morale" lingering around. Anyone on the ITFC playing staff list with football related "low morale" can GTF. Don't want their f**king negativity spreading around. Fk off.

New season, ahead. Proceed.

[Bluemike]

Exactly Marko, same applies to the fans.