Next Manager Rumour Thread (Poll Added 2/4/2018)

[marko69]

" 'Ere, Whaz eet all abaaaat eh? Av been waitin ere fo free fukin mumfs innit!"

[marko69]

Sorry. Are we being racist towards Londoners here, Herforder?

Need to watch; it's delicate out there.

[herforder]

Sorry. Are we being racist towards Londoners here, Herforder?

Need to watch; it's delicate out there.

Oooops! Need to tread carefully, avoiding snowflake damage!

[marko69]

Sorry. Are we being racist towards Londoners here, Herforder?

Need to watch; it's delicate out there.

Oooops! Need to tread carefully, avoiding snowflake damage!

Yep, very true.

I need to head away from the computer for a few hours. Need to get my skirt fixed; It tore whilst tossing, (that caber was heavy). Then I need to get my ginger perm straightened.

[Tangfastic]

No offence to Paul Hurst and Shrewsbury, but if Hurst is a genuine top contender for the Town job then I hope they get knocked out of the play-offs today.

Ross is apparently set up for a second interview this week, so it’s getting serious now.

If we’re waiting on the outcome of the play-off final then it’s another two weeks.

We don’t neccasarily need a manager in place now, but hanging around for another two or three weeks waiting on the outcome of whether Shrewsbury get promoted or not isn’t ideal.
It could mean we lose out on the top choices. For example, if Ross impresses at the second interview but is told to hang on for a few weeks then that gives time for other clubs to make a move for him.... or to have time to think it’s better to stay put. We’re not even sure if Hurst even wants to come to Town, irrespective of promotion or not.
Taking the time is the right thing to do, but you can’t string it out too long or you’ll be left with the dregs.

[hallamblue]

Jack Ross , Talking tactics.....got to be a perfect fit for us surely ?.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5XVFXICJO0w

[Bluemike]

After what I saw of Shrewsbury today Hurst is a must, very good football and always forward thinking even when so much was at stake, the boy Nolan would be a great acquisition too.

I dont think it matters if Shrewsbury go up or not tbh, I think should we offer him the job he would take it, Hurst is no fool, I loved the way he spoke after the game, he will know Shrewsbury will struggle next season on a budget akin to Burton's, he will have taken them as far as he can, time to make the next step.

[hallamblue]

Problem is Mike, Ross gets a second interview this week.

Even as is hardly going to say, ok let’s wait and see what another candidates have to say - IF we even get permission to speak to Hurst!

Ross is hardly going to sit back and wait is he. As I’d have thought coming back for a 2nd interview, would mean he would be very close to being offered the job. Evans hasn’t even spoken to Hurst yet!

[Charnwood]

Like David Wagner when he joined Huddersfield or Carlos Carvalhal when he went to Sheff Wednesday. I’m up for trying something different but would prefer some experience as I think some of our senior players will need some managing.

When you say senior players need managing do you mean that they won’t have the respect for a manager from the lower leagues?

I can see that being an issue if, say, Chambo doesn’t like tactics, team selection, etc that strays from the Mick way. Senior players like Chambo are important for the dressing room to keep the team together, but they shouldn’t rule the club.

Many of the worlds top managers have very modest playing careers and have had to cut their teeth at the start by instructing better players how to play.

I’m not sure experience is all good. Along with all the good aspects of experience, there are failures on their record - and ambition and enthusasiam can be replaced by just trying to survive.

It’s a gamble whatever happens, but I prefer to go for a younger manager. If these guys are never given a chance then it will just be the same merry-go-round of same faces at different clubs. I would prefer to fall flat on my face having tried something a bit fresh, than same old, same old. Having said that, I bet Cardiff are very happy giving their old kid on the block a go.

I just think at this club it’s time to freshen things up....

I didn’t mean to ignore your post Tang, but just been a bit busy with visitors....

...what I mean when I say modern footballers need managing shouldn’t really be difficult to understand as I thought this was a well known subject that has been well documented, but for the purpose of clarity I’ll try to explain.

In the modern game young footballers often earn huge salaries and bonuses at a very young age and even at Championship levels this amounts to double, even treble and more than what they would have earned outside the game. Often they come from humble backgrounds and are overawed by their success which sometimes goes to their heads making them think they are much better than they are, and have high opinions of themselves. Some managers deal with these situations better than others. At Ipswich we may have the added issue of some players resenting MM having lost his job.

Of course all experience isn’t good, but experience is where managers learn both from their successes and from their mistakes, employers can also look at applicants experience and make a judgement on how the experience fits with the new job requirements, but in the modern game man management is at the top of the pile of skills required and where a manager is most likely to fail.

Player power is one of the biggest threats to a managers career and is rife in the game and even some of the biggest managers have come unstuck including Mourinho at Chelsea and Van Gaal at Manchester United, there are of course many more. Managers simply have to have the dressing room on their side and to do this they have to command respect, this has to be earned not demanded and in the first instance this will come from his track record and experience.

I’m quite liking what I read about Jack Ross and think he ticks many of the boxes, more so than some of the other names mentioned. ME made a great appointment when he brought Mick McCarthy in, any lesser man may well have overseen a relegation to League One. As much as I dislike our owner I do have a degree of confidence in him making an excellent appointment, how else would he have built up an £800m fortune, it certainly hasn’t been through making repetitive mistakes or taking gambles on building his management team. 10yrs of ownership will have taught him quite a lot about owning a football club and I expect he has a clear vision of the type of manager he wants in charge.

Hopefully we will all support whoever he brings in and at least give him a chance. I just further hope the ME at the very least gives the new man some sort of reasonable budget to work with to get him started.

[Ricco]

After what I saw of Shrewsbury today Hurst is a must

Is a Ross in hand worth a Hurst in the bush??

[marko69]

Jack Ross , Talking tactics.....got to be a perfect fit for us surely ?.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5XVFXICJO0w

I think you are spot on with this, Hallam. Even watching part 2 of that video, he certainly sounds like a very driven, self assured guy who could possibly work under the Mevans regime. The only very prominently obvious issue is; Scottish Championship -> English Championship. That’s a Primary 1 -> Primary 7 step.

Yes, I’ve banged on enough to the point of tiresome regarding Alex Neil...... YES, he done it....., but I’m sure Delias purse had less moths in it compared to Mevans’ wallet.

I’d be excited with a Jack Ross appointment,......, it’d most definitely be “something different”.

[hallamblue]

Marko , I agree it would be a massive risk. But I can’t see how at this point Hurst is even in the running , purely because he has yet to be even interviewed, ( have Town even for permission to speak to him??), yet JR is due for his 2nd interview this week. What’s the 2nd interview for? Who else has been offered this? It’s his job to lose or decline surely?

On the point of risk and the massive jump in level of football. I agree it is a mind blowing one. But “ skill sets” such a coaching , man management , tactical nounce should be “ transferable “ no matter what level. This is what Evans has to consider and be convinced of. I think whoever gets the job will inherit a good bunch of players tbh - a McCarthy legacy.

The Club frankly, is all primed and ready to go now.

Ps marko if you have “ Part two” Jack Ross tactics , could you post the link please Munchkin x

[marko69]

https://youtu.be/StbrXCqXl7Q

Here you go, Hallam. And err.....: x ...... returning the kiss. No tongue. Honest!

[Tangfastic]

Like David Wagner when he joined Huddersfield or Carlos Carvalhal when he went to Sheff Wednesday. I’m up for trying something different but would prefer some experience as I think some of our senior players will need some managing.

When you say senior players need managing do you mean that they won’t have the respect for a manager from the lower leagues?

I can see that being an issue if, say, Chambo doesn’t like tactics, team selection, etc that strays from the Mick way. Senior players like Chambo are important for the dressing room to keep the team together, but they shouldn’t rule the club.

Many of the worlds top managers have very modest playing careers and have had to cut their teeth at the start by instructing better players how to play.

I’m not sure experience is all good. Along with all the good aspects of experience, there are failures on their record - and ambition and enthusasiam can be replaced by just trying to survive.

It’s a gamble whatever happens, but I prefer to go for a younger manager. If these guys are never given a chance then it will just be the same merry-go-round of same faces at different clubs. I would prefer to fall flat on my face having tried something a bit fresh, than same old, same old. Having said that, I bet Cardiff are very happy giving their old kid on the block a go.

I just think at this club it’s time to freshen things up....

I didn’t mean to ignore your post Tang, but just been a bit busy with visitors....

...what I mean when I say modern footballers need managing shouldn’t really be difficult to understand as I thought this was a well known subject that has been well documented, but for the purpose of clarity I’ll try to explain.

In the modern game young footballers often earn huge salaries and bonuses at a very young age and even at Championship levels this amounts to double, even treble and more than what they would have earned outside the game. Often they come from humble backgrounds and are overawed by their success which sometimes goes to their heads making them think they are much better than they are, and have high opinions of themselves. Some managers deal with these situations better than others. At Ipswich we may have the added issue of some players resenting MM having lost his job.

Of course all experience isn’t good, but experience is where managers learn both from their successes and from their mistakes, employers can also look at applicants experience and make a judgement on how the experience fits with the new job requirements, but in the modern game man management is at the top of the pile of skills required and where a manager is most likely to fail.

Player power is one of the biggest threats to a managers career and is rife in the game and even some of the biggest managers have come unstuck including Mourinho at Chelsea and Van Gaal at Manchester United, there are of course many more. Managers simply have to have the dressing room on their side and to do this they have to command respect, this has to be earned not demanded and in the first instance this will come from his track record and experience.

I’m quite liking what I read about Jack Ross and think he ticks many of the boxes, more so than some of the other names mentioned. ME made a great appointment when he brought Mick McCarthy in, any lesser man may well have overseen a relegation to League One. As much as I dislike our owner I do have a degree of confidence in him making an excellent appointment, how else would he have built up an £800m fortune, it certainly hasn’t been through making repetitive mistakes or taking gambles on building his management team. 10yrs of ownership will have taught him quite a lot about owning a football club and I expect he has a clear vision of the type of manager he wants in charge.

Hopefully we will all support whoever he brings in and at least give him a chance. I just further hope the ME at the very least gives the new man some sort of reasonable budget to work with to get him started.

I agree that the players (especially the senior players) have to buy in and respect the new manager.

I can't help but think that MM - after establishing a very good dressing room and team spirit - relied too heavily on that. No one can doubt the commitment of the players, but it seemed like "doing the dirty stuff" overshadowed the more positive footballing aspects.

I think the new manager should be one who is there to develop a side, especially the younger ones. If that doesn't fit in with certain senior pro's who find they're not a certain starter in the team or can't adapt - then its probably better they move on. I actually think players like Chambo and Skuse are very good pro's and, with one eye on coaching/managing, will hopefully assist the new incoming manager - even if they find themselves out of the side.

It's kind of assumed that an established manager will keep the dressing room and man-manage better. Who knows - I don't see any established manager candidates that I like. It could be that young or old, inexperienced or experienced, how that manager presents himself and his ideas to the players in the first couple of weeks could be the most crucial.

[marko69]

[quote=“Tangfastic”]It could be that young or old, inexperienced or experienced, how that manager presents himself and his ideas to the players in the first couple of weeks could be the most crucial.[/quote]

Yep. And after listening to Jack Ross speak, really don’t see that being a problem at all. He’s certainly very precise and clear with his words.

[Dubai Blue]

Following on from some of these comments, yes I think that Jack Ross having a 2nd interview lined up already tells me that he impressed ME a great deal. Normally you would expect to complete the first round before setting up 2nds.

[Tangfastic]

Marko , I agree it would be a massive risk. But I can’t see how at this point Hurst is even in the running , purely because he has yet to be even interviewed, ( have Town even for permission to speak to him??), yet JR is due for his 2nd interview this week. What’s the 2nd interview for? Who else has been offered this? It’s his job to lose or decline surely?

On the point of risk and the massive jump in level of football. I agree it is a mind blowing one. But “ skill sets” such a coaching , man management , tactical nounce should be “ transferable “ no matter what level. This is what Evans has to consider and be convinced of. I think whoever gets the job will inherit a good bunch of players tbh - a McCarthy legacy.

The Club frankly, is all primed and ready to go now.

Ps marko if you have “ Part two” Jack Ross tactics , could you post the link please Munchkin x

I can't help think that now Hurst has got Shrewsbury to the play-off finals that could be very significant.

Its not just the extra couple of weeks, but now Hurst's profile is gone up a notch - and will more so if he gets promoted. He could decide to stay with Shrewsbury if promoted. There would also be potentially bigger clubs who could offer more to him.

Who knows - maybe he has been in contact with the club, but has to put out the official statement that he has to concentrate on Shrewsbury for the moment.

I would say if Jack Ross was offered the job now, he would be take it in a flash. The fact that he's on his second interview says a lot. I think Hurst is a little more experienced than Ross and obviously has a background in English football which makes him the better candidate, but do we wait those extra few weeks for someone who could well not be interested in us or decide even to stay with Shrewsbury?
I'm not too blue-tinted to see the potential risk with Ross, but I'm impressed with the bloke from what I've seen.

[Charnwood]

The more I read about Jack Ross the more I like him and the more I think he and Ipswich Town would be a good fit. His 3 years management experience at Alloa Athletic and St Mirren has been very successful and add to this his previous 4 yrs as an assistant manager and coach at Dumbarton and Hearts and you begin to see sound managerial foundations. Before commencing his full time football career he achieved an MA Honours degree in Economics from Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh which suggests he’s a well balanced bright cookie with lots to offer. He will also have learned a lot about man management during his period as Chairman of the PFA Scotland players' union which he held until 2013.

Go and get him Marcus, I think he’s definitely our man and one who could just turn out to be the next Alex Ferguson who also began his management career at St Mirren who to this day are the only club ever to have sacked him.

My main concern is will he be happy moving from Scotland given that he previously turned down Barnsley prefering to stay with St Mirren, the same could happen again especially with the Buddies gaining promotion to the Scottish Premier League and him being the current PFA Scotland Manager of the Year.

At the moment Jack Ross is my preferred choice.

[charlton837]

quite like the sound of Ross but I must admit im literally just going on what im hearing. Ive never seen one of his sides play, until about a month ago id never even heard of the guy.

If he is appointed I will of course get behind him and hope he can continue his progression with us.

[herforder]

Would be happy with either Hurst or Ross. Whilst, according to local media, Ross is due for a further interview and has said he’ll listen to what ME has to say, Hurst has also commented that he can’t honestly assure Shrews supporters that he’ll be there next season. I suspect he’s actually ME’s first choice. Opinions on here and other sites inevitably rely on what drips into the media, no matter how reliable or accurate. What’s obvious, however, is that whoever ME speaks to will need to assess the risks of accepting any offer made, and what’s in their best interests. But, play-offs and timing notwithstanding, feel sure that ME would not want to miss an opportunity to speak with Hurst - and vice versa.

[Charnwood]

I can’t wait to chat with my Son-in-Law about Jack Ross, he’s a Paisley lad born and bred and an ardent St Mirren fan even a long distance one living in the USA. All his pals are St Mirren season ticket holders and he never misses a game when he’s back home, i’m sure they’ll have some useful information albeit rather bias.

[herforder]

Meant to comment that if Hurst/Ross are ME’s clear preferences, getting neither will clearly present a significant challenge. Depends, of course, what options he’s left with; but that’s a real concern.

[marko69]

Paisley lad born and bred? Note to all....., don't mess with Charnys son-in-law.

1990, working in Johnstone, (on the outskirts of Paisley)......, won a black ball decider pool game in a pub......, the place feckin erupted. There was no time to access the situation at all. These guys had it in their heads that they were going to beat up the "Edinburgh folk"! Thankfully for us, a couple of police cars were sitting outside the pub anyway. If not for those police cars, I think......, (no, I KNOW) we'd have been annihilated -----> right out of Barlinnie these guys looked. I'm absolute crap at pool as well.

[Bluemike]

Hallam I would bet Hurst is very much in the equation, if Evans wants to interview him he will wait the necessary time, anyone already interviewed will be made aware that there are others who are to be intereviewed but who are not in a position to do so as yet, of course there is always the risk of losing out on a potential target but that is the way it is. I dont get overly excited about Ross anyway, Scottish Championship is light years away from the championship which is the toughest in the world, Hurst too would be a gamble but i believe a more credible one.

[derick_ipsw]

ROSS has had no contact with Ipswich himself.The clubs have spoken but Ross himself has had no contact. So all this talk about him being interviewed is utter bollocks or in other words PAPER TALK.

[Charnwood]

Paisley lad born and bred? Note to all....., don't mess with Charnys son-in-law.

1990, working in Johnstone, (on the outskirts of Paisley)......, won a black ball decider pool game in a pub......, the place feckin erupted. There was no time to access the situation at all. These guys had it in their heads that they were going to beat up the "Edinburgh folk"! Thankfully for us, a couple of police cars were sitting outside the pub anyway. If not for those police cars, I think......, (no, I KNOW) we'd have been annihilated -----> right out of Barlinnie these guys looked. I'm absolute crap at pool as well.

Marko, I maybe exaggerating slightly but i’m sure my son-in-law once said that a quarter of his former class mates were either dead or in prison and that must have been 10yrs back when he was in his late 20’s maybe 30. He certainly felt very lucky being in the position he is.

If I have exaggerated you’ll get the gist which fits very much with your comments.

[Bluemike]

ROSS has had no contact with Ipswich himself.The clubs have spoken but Ross himself has had no contact. So all this talk about him being interviewed is utter bollocks or in other words PAPER TALK.

That's what Ross is trying to insinuate, not sure it's true though.

[Charnwood]

It would appear that Jack Ross and Paul Hurst are currently joint favourites for the job with the bookmakers at 7/4 after Hurst’s side booked their place in the League One play-off final with Sunday’s victory over Charlton.

I guess the closer we get to making an appointment the more accurate the bookies odds will become.

[marko69]

Paisley lad born and bred? Note to all....., don't mess with Charnys son-in-law.

1990, working in Johnstone, (on the outskirts of Paisley)......, won a black ball decider pool game in a pub......, the place feckin erupted. There was no time to access the situation at all. These guys had it in their heads that they were going to beat up the "Edinburgh folk"! Thankfully for us, a couple of police cars were sitting outside the pub anyway. If not for those police cars, I think......, (no, I KNOW) we'd have been annihilated -----> right out of Barlinnie these guys looked. I'm absolute crap at pool as well.

Marko, I maybe exaggerating slightly but i’m sure my son-in-law once said that a quarter of his former class mates were either dead or in prison and that must have been 10yrs back when he was in his late 20’s maybe 30. He certainly felt very lucky being in the position he is.

If I have exaggerated you’ll get the gist which fits very much with your comments.

The irony is, they called their previous stadium, Love Street!

[nicscreamer]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44109670

omg don't even think of turning up at our door!!!!