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Agree completely. In this case, the VAR and his assistant have both been stood down.Andym wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:25 amI’m not a fan of VAR, as it hasn’t had the effect I hoped it would.
But I think in all this fuss, some people have missed the point. The official ruled the goal offside (incorrectly). So without VAR it still would have been disallowed. Yes, VAR messed up, but only after the official had got it wrong. That was the original error. Scrapping VAR wouldn’t have changed the decision.
What I really hoped for with VAR was that it would stop the diving. But it hasn’t; if there’s a bit of contact in the penalty area and the player trips over his laces, it is still given as a penalty. It hasn’t stopped the lottery of whether it’s a handball if the ball hits a player’s arm. Attempts to clarify the law by describing the offence in more detail have only led to a different type of handball; it used to be that the action had to be deliberate. These days, if you jump (remembering it is hard to jump without raising an arm) then you are in danger of conceding a penalty.
But the most ludicrous is the drawing of lines across the pitch for offside decisions. The offside law was introduced to stop goal hanging. It was to stop players gaining an advantage. If you need to draw lines to see whether one player’s toenail is further forward than another player’s shoulder, then there is clearly no advantage. So stop holding up the game and accept its a tight enough decision to go with the original verdict.
We need to accept that some decisions aren’t clear cut. It is down to the referee’s interpretation.
goldandblack wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2023 9:09 pmA minutes silence will be observed at all next weekend Premier League
games in honour of Liverpool’s disallowed goal.
Andym wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:25 amI’m not a fan of VAR, as it hasn’t had the effect I hoped it would.
But I think in all this fuss, some people have missed the point. The official ruled the goal offside (incorrectly). So without VAR it still would have been disallowed. Yes, VAR messed up, but only after the official had got it wrong. That was the original error. Scrapping VAR wouldn’t have changed the decision.
What I really hoped for with VAR was that it would stop the diving. But it hasn’t; if there’s a bit of contact in the penalty area and the player trips over his laces, it is still given as a penalty. It hasn’t stopped the lottery of whether it’s a handball if the ball hits a player’s arm. Attempts to clarify the law by describing the offence in more detail have only led to a different type of handball; it used to be that the action had to be deliberate. These days, if you jump (remembering it is hard to jump without raising an arm) then you are in danger of conceding a penalty.
But the most ludicrous is the drawing of lines across the pitch for offside decisions. The offside law was introduced to stop goal hanging. It was to stop players gaining an advantage. If you need to draw lines to see whether one player’s toenail is further forward than another player’s shoulder, then there is clearly no advantage. So stop holding up the game and accept its a tight enough decision to go with the original verdict.
We need to accept that some decisions aren’t clear cut. It is down to the referee’s interpretation.
I bet you have never ran a line in your life.rossi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:03 amAgree completely. In this case, the VAR and his assistant have both been stood down.Andym wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:25 amI’m not a fan of VAR, as it hasn’t had the effect I hoped it would.
But I think in all this fuss, some people have missed the point. The official ruled the goal offside (incorrectly). So without VAR it still would have been disallowed. Yes, VAR messed up, but only after the official had got it wrong. That was the original error. Scrapping VAR wouldn’t have changed the decision.
What I really hoped for with VAR was that it would stop the diving. But it hasn’t; if there’s a bit of contact in the penalty area and the player trips over his laces, it is still given as a penalty. It hasn’t stopped the lottery of whether it’s a handball if the ball hits a player’s arm. Attempts to clarify the law by describing the offence in more detail have only led to a different type of handball; it used to be that the action had to be deliberate. These days, if you jump (remembering it is hard to jump without raising an arm) then you are in danger of conceding a penalty.
But the most ludicrous is the drawing of lines across the pitch for offside decisions. The offside law was introduced to stop goal hanging. It was to stop players gaining an advantage. If you need to draw lines to see whether one player’s toenail is further forward than another player’s shoulder, then there is clearly no advantage. So stop holding up the game and accept its a tight enough decision to go with the original verdict.
We need to accept that some decisions aren’t clear cut. It is down to the referee’s interpretation.
But what about the bungling incompetent idiot who gave the decision in the first place? FFS, he was level with play and close to it, yet he still gave an incorrect decision. He should never be allowed to officiate at a gamer again.
- then you've lost your bet, pal: you know nothing about me so don't make ridiculous unfounded assumptionsvalleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:16 pmI bet you have never ran a line in your life.rossi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:03 amAgree completely. In this case, the VAR and his assistant have both been stood down.Andym wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 7:25 amI’m not a fan of VAR, as it hasn’t had the effect I hoped it would.
But I think in all this fuss, some people have missed the point. The official ruled the goal offside (incorrectly). So without VAR it still would have been disallowed. Yes, VAR messed up, but only after the official had got it wrong. That was the original error. Scrapping VAR wouldn’t have changed the decision.
What I really hoped for with VAR was that it would stop the diving. But it hasn’t; if there’s a bit of contact in the penalty area and the player trips over his laces, it is still given as a penalty. It hasn’t stopped the lottery of whether it’s a handball if the ball hits a player’s arm. Attempts to clarify the law by describing the offence in more detail have only led to a different type of handball; it used to be that the action had to be deliberate. These days, if you jump (remembering it is hard to jump without raising an arm) then you are in danger of conceding a penalty.
But the most ludicrous is the drawing of lines across the pitch for offside decisions. The offside law was introduced to stop goal hanging. It was to stop players gaining an advantage. If you need to draw lines to see whether one player’s toenail is further forward than another player’s shoulder, then there is clearly no advantage. So stop holding up the game and accept its a tight enough decision to go with the original verdict.
We need to accept that some decisions aren’t clear cut. It is down to the referee’s interpretation.
But what about the bungling incompetent idiot who gave the decision in the first place? FFS, he was level with play and close to it, yet he still gave an incorrect decision. He should never be allowed to officiate at a gamer again.
I have many many times and would prefer to be in the middle refereeing every single time.
The higher up the grades you go the harder it becomes as the speed and cleverness of player at top level is beyond what any fan has a clue about.
The guy in not an bungling incompetent idiot as you as usually so foolishly put it, he is human and prone to error.
The VAR process completely failed in this instance and will be a major learning factor for all concerned.
For me VAR is good. Negatives are with time taken to reach a decision and lack of comms with crowd. We only ever hear about it when something goes wrong.
The one major area that VAR has been a complete nonsense is the handball rule. It has been a complete disaster and leads to farcical decisions with players now in a ridiculous situation of going into tackles with hands behind back etc. I'd put that back in the hands of referees and back to in the opnion of the referee. I'd let VAR intervene for a major error like the Thierry Henry handball against Ireland etc.
Oh so you are a qualified referee now ? What you ran the line in a village football game ?rossi wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:57 am- then you've lost your bet, pal: you know nothing about me so don't make ridiculous unfounded assumptionsvalleyroad wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 10:16 pmI bet you have never ran a line in your life.rossi wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2023 8:03 am
Agree completely. In this case, the VAR and his assistant have both been stood down.
But what about the bungling incompetent idiot who gave the decision in the first place? FFS, he was level with play and close to it, yet he still gave an incorrect decision. He should never be allowed to officiate at a gamer again.
I have many many times and would prefer to be in the middle refereeing every single time.
The higher up the grades you go the harder it becomes as the speed and cleverness of player at top level is beyond what any fan has a clue about.
The guy in not an bungling incompetent idiot as you as usually so foolishly put it, he is human and prone to error.
The VAR process completely failed in this instance and will be a major learning factor for all concerned.
For me VAR is good. Negatives are with time taken to reach a decision and lack of comms with crowd. We only ever hear about it when something goes wrong.
The one major area that VAR has been a complete nonsense is the handball rule. It has been a complete disaster and leads to farcical decisions with players now in a ridiculous situation of going into tackles with hands behind back etc. I'd put that back in the hands of referees and back to in the opnion of the referee. I'd let VAR intervene for a major error like the Thierry Henry handball against Ireland etc.
- it's far more foolish to make unfounded assumptions than it is to make an observation
Whats the fkn point. ” marko69 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 2:28 pmBelieve it or not, AI gets stuff wrong. In fact, AI gets A LOT wrong.
Go on the AI thing and fire questions at it, (questions you know the answer to) ….. you’ll be shocked.
And you type…… “Sorry, but thats just wrong”…… and it replies, “I do apologise for this, i will try harder.”
Whats the fkn point.
Best example……. My grandaughter asking it what The Bionic Man was.
“Bionic Man was an astronaut who suffered near fatal injury. He was rebuilt with Bionic circuitry, two legs, right arm, left eye and left ear.”
I said to her. “He didnt have a bionic left ear.”
She typed that in.
“Sorry, I do apologise. Right ear.”
“He didnt have ANY bionic ears
She typed that in.
“I do apologise. You are correct. Only legs, one arm and one eye.”
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THAT WASNT OFFSIDE, AI ???
“I do apologise. You are correct. It wasn’t. My bad. Get it up ye anyway. You bucket raking tosser.”
Ok, who’s programming the VAR AI ?
gone are the days of telling the grandchildren made up answers, Aunty Google ruined all that,
then again nor would I. 
That all sounds great Dubai Blue although lost me with all this IT stuff. but cant see that ever happening if FIFA have anything to do with it,Dubai Blue wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:13 pmI know you're half joking about AI above but remember the thing about AI is that is learns from its mistakes with no human bias. Already it is diagnosing cancers and making mission critical decisions. Yeah the coffee table stuff that we play with is not the most advanced AI and we can try to reassure ourselves that we humans will not be replaced by it but that ship has already sailed. If a decent amount of effort is spent on it AI for offside could be implemented just the way I described, really quickly. And the cost would be irrelevant for Premier League sides.
marko69 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:41 pmFootball Commentator: " Well, here we are in the 97th minute of normal time in the Champions League Final @ Wembley Stadium, its 1-1, and the penalty decision has gone to VAR. The crowd awaits in anticipation. This is huge. Historic. And we are witnessing it. And here it is, VAR over the loudspeaker system. Whats it to be......"
VAR: "Decision: The Bionic Man didn't have Bionic ears."
"Well, Ally, what can you say about that?"
McCoist; "And the ref hasn't got bionic eyes either....., the feckin blind bstd"
"Still On Air, Ally, still On Air."
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Joking OF COURSE, Dubai....., but I'll guess lightyears away from AI making decisions in the football.
What do you think of that McCoist, to me he's a total waste of pixels on the telly.Me? Un-educated? Ha, like I said earlier, you don't know me at all.valleyroad wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 9:33 amOh so you are a qualified referee now ? What you ran the line in a village football game ?
If you were a qualified referee and had ran the line at a significant level then you wouldn't be making the uneducated comments you are making and if you have then they are disgraceful
Coisty is ok. He always looks at things from a more positive angle which i personally warm too.goldandblack wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:34 pmmarko69 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:41 pmFootball Commentator: " Well, here we are in the 97th minute of normal time in the Champions League Final @ Wembley Stadium, its 1-1, and the penalty decision has gone to VAR. The crowd awaits in anticipation. This is huge. Historic. And we are witnessing it. And here it is, VAR over the loudspeaker system. Whats it to be......"
VAR: "Decision: The Bionic Man didn't have Bionic ears."
"Well, Ally, what can you say about that?"
McCoist; "And the ref hasn't got bionic eyes either....., the feckin blind bstd"
"Still On Air, Ally, still On Air."
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Joking OF COURSE, Dubai....., but I'll guess lightyears away from AI making decisions in the football.
Funny that cause i look on him in the opposite way,marko69 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2023 12:52 pmCoisty is ok. He always looks at things from a more positive angle which i personally warm too.goldandblack wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 7:34 pmmarko69 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 06, 2023 3:41 pmFootball Commentator: " Well, here we are in the 97th minute of normal time in the Champions League Final @ Wembley Stadium, its 1-1, and the penalty decision has gone to VAR. The crowd awaits in anticipation. This is huge. Historic. And we are witnessing it. And here it is, VAR over the loudspeaker system. Whats it to be......"
VAR: "Decision: The Bionic Man didn't have Bionic ears."
"Well, Ally, what can you say about that?"
McCoist; "And the ref hasn't got bionic eyes either....., the feckin blind bstd"
"Still On Air, Ally, still On Air."
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Joking OF COURSE, Dubai....., but I'll guess lightyears away from AI making decisions in the football.
Coisty or Sutton? ……. Super Ally every day of the week.
Edit to add: He was also very congratulatory towards Hibernian in 2016 after the cup win. Unlike all the other twisted faced media. I mean no doubt he had a few unsavoury words behind closed doors but that's across the board.