Transfer Rumours - New Signings for Towns Premier League Squad 2024/25

[Blue Wilf]

Sorry if I sound harsh sometimes, its just I'm not always sure how to word things - but you are probably a bit out of touch with current transfer fee's, yes they are very high etc but they are what they are.

- Davis = 15m MIN, if not more, you are talking about left back (very sought after postion), young and english (*homegrown tickbox = added fee), plus the all time record assist maker for a championship defender, its easily 15m.
- Summerville, talk of 35m for him - that isn't a huge amount for a top 6 side to be paying.

- Look at Forrest, didn't they pay 30-40m for Gibbs-White? I mean that was stong money but you'd have a case to argue he is worth it, v good player.

- Cole Palmer, wasn't he 30-40m when he'd barely played in the Prem - what is he worth now as one of the Prem's top goalscovers and a likely England start, 70m?

- Bowen was 22m direct from Champsionship, and that was a while ago, you'd have to say he is worth double that now.

Of course there are examples the other way of flops, the risks are huge. However I'm trying to say that its a supply and demand thing, if Ipswich said max 10m for Omari then I'm sure a host of other prem clubs would pay 15m, then its a bidding war.

Also re Ajax and such, we can defo outbid them - they get barely any TV money, so are probably 70-100m behind ipswich per season financially, they might make up some of that from commercial stuff but Ipswich will still be better off finanically. They have to sell, and usually those clubs do - look at Dortmund etc, many of those clubs are making good profit from players and re-investing it each year - but in Holland they rarely spend over 15m per player. It's the same in Italty generally speaking. Even the spain teams outside the top 3-4 are pretty skint.

Don't worry Shabba - I am not offended - I just don't agree with your assessment!

I don't think any of our players, nor Hutchinson are worth the kind of numbers you are throwing out there as though £20M (think about it - £20M - when is the last time you had £20m to spend??) is not much money? Even by PL standards!?

We sit here and speculate that none of our players today are worth more than about £5m on todays market and then talk up a young lad who could not get a start 6 months ago as being worth £20-£30m! I am glad you don't invest my pension for me!

Look - I know the numbers get silly but lets get real.. we may get £150m in TV money but the club will only realistically want to spend a percentage of that (we lost what was it £80m last year?). So lets say we try not to lose it again and have £70m to spend on players, ground improvements etc etc. for me, that means £40m max on players (including salaries etc) and we all know we need at least 5 players. So... for me, I think we would not pay much more than £3-4M for most of them and maybe a bit more for one if we really really needed/wanted him. It seems that lots on here (and far more on TWTD) want to throw £150m on 3 established Prem players etc etc but we all know where that ends up. KM and MA are smart and will acquire players as such. I think the idea of spending tens of millions single players is reckless and unrealistic. It is the road to ruin and we know that happens every season!

So - I hear you and lets see, but I would say you/we all need to get real about what we really can afford to do here. Just my view!

I believe our loss last year would be around £18m, might move around a bit depending on bonuses for promotion, but then that might be squared off by the small (ish) prize money for winning the league.

Most clubs run at a loss, ours will probably also lose money next year as the owners will invest to try and make them a solid premier league team as it drastically increases the asset value of the club, and that is their target.

I'm sorry but who are we going to find for 3-4m that's any good?! Foriegn players are a risk and would likely still cost more than that if they are any good. Even OK championship players aren't going for less than 5m now, I mean look at Cov - they sold some players for 10-20m each last year after good seasons.

I agree we won't spent £150m on 3 players, but I can easily see us spending 60-70m on 6-7 players, someone might be low cost free transfers or loans and some might be 10-20m signings.

Re your pension - maybe you should have invested it into the premier league, I think its revenue has increased 2800% since its begining.

The more money you have the harder to find bargains, its worse for the clubs higher up too - I can't see them finding any 3-4m bargains - even the players they get from south america often cost 10-30m now due to the competition for the signing.

Haha - invest my pension in the Premier League? You must be a youngster to be that naive Shabba! (joke btw...) onky an American Fire Brigade could be as stupid as that!

Lets see what happens. I think you are miles away from where MA and KN will be. The reason for keeping KM was his ability to get the best from players considered less able than the so called 'superstars'. With a squad worth £50M - what do you think brining in say 5 players for over £70M would do to squad cohesion? Have you ever managed people?

I may be hugely wrong but some of the clubs (ie Forest) you say paid tens of millions for players are now facing points deductions and who knows - oblivion? I don't think we will make that mistake. I will happily buy you a pint before a game next season if I am wrong but I think you are living in cloud cuckoo land my friend! Get your feet back on the ground!

[shabba]

There will also be some really good players available for nothing.

There isn't many, I noted this before - a few world cup winners up for grabs though

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statist ... evertraege

But seriously, nobody really stands out - either too high profile (i.e high wages, wanted by other clubs, Saudi etc) - some have contract extension options too.

Premier only
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier ... bewerb/GB1

I'd take Matip as starting CB, and Charlie Taylor as backup fullback .

Bobby De Cordova-Reid would be a decent forward line option.

[shabba]

I'll throw a few in the mix;

Omari Forson -good prospect, maybe KM knows him, might be a good free transfer.

Jack Clarke from Sunderland, I like him, but wouldn't be cheap.

Some snips I saw:

Arsenal will reluctantly let England international Eddie Nketiah, 25, leave the club, with Fulham prepared to offer around £30m for the forward, who is also interesting Crystal Palace, Wolves and Everton I'd like him but 30m is quite steep, high wages and alot of clubs after him.

Fulham have made Arsenal's Emile Smith Rowe one of their summer transfer priorities and are ready to bid for the England midfielder, 23, early in the window Another good player but same as above re the fee and competition.

[hallamblue]

One thing I’ve noticed in these very early days post promotion to the hallowed land, is the amount of media speculation , and social media hype surrounding players connected with PL… it’s just a bloody circus isn’t it, and so far detached from “ normal life”, it’s untrue. The amount of money being speculated is obscene frankly and so far removed from our lives as to be meaningless…. It’s Monopoly money !

[Charnwood]

Looking at recently promoted clubs spending ahead of their first season in the Premier Lesgue,

Burnley spent £86m on 7 players, their highest individual spend was £16m

Sheffield United spent £60m on 7 players, their highest individual spend was £18m

Luton Town only spent £20m with £5m their max.

All three teams were relegated.

The previous season;
Forest spent circa £165m on 18 players + 2 Loans, ( this includes the Jan window)
Their highest spend on an individual was £25m + 3 at £18m+ and a further 3 at £10m+

Fulham spent £64m on 7 players + a few loans and freebies. Their most expensive signings cost £20m and £15m

Bournemouth spent £73m on 5 players and again added a few loans and freebies. Their most expensive signings we 2 at £20m+ each and 3 at £10m+ each.

All three sides have survived two seasons in the Premief League which should give us hope. It also suggests that if we can survive next season there’s every chance we could survive a second.

If we exclude the two outliers Forest and Luton, past spending by newly promoted clubs suggest we will most probably be looking at a spending budget of circa £80m on 5 to 7 players with the most expensive player costing up to £20m. We could add to this a couple of loan players with a loan fee of up to £5m and maybe two freebie out of contract players.

Given the income we’ll get from a full house for most home games, increased revenue from retail sales + huge global television revenue the spend figures I’ve mentioned should be possible without any fear of breaking any EPL FFP rules. Not spending this money will simply incur a huge Corporstion Tax charge on unspent profits so best to invest thus new money on strengthening the team.

Bearing this in mind I don’t think £70m close season spend will be far off the mark even with £20m having been earmarked for the managers remuneration over the next 4 years.

[shabba]

Exactly - thank you for the breakdown.

[Bluemike]

And Luton were the ones who made the best fist of it last season, just saying.

[hallamblue]

We know money doesn’t mean / guarantee success. You only have to look at Leeds vs Ipswich in the promotion race. Our squad is modest in every sense of the word…. But of course we need some higher quality in the squad but I doubt Town will spend over the odds. Eg if we are to get Omari I can see that deal going to the last day, when CFC are desperate to sell and will have to drop the ridiculous asking price. If an overseas club wants to buy an unproven young player for £30m, good luck to ‘em!

[shabba]

And Luton were the ones who made the best fist of it last season, just saying.

IMO that was down to their style of play, they couldnt try and play attacking free flowing football so were more pragmatic and it served them well. You could argue if that had 2-3 20m players to add that extra bit of quality they might have had enough to stay up

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

I think the owners will view this as an opportunity to become an established PL team, but the appraoch will have to be the right one.

So, yes, I agree with those who say we will look to spend between £70M and £90M, which would (just) keep us within the rules. It's how we spend it that will be interesting - do we spend it on 2-3 established 'stars' and risk rocking the boat with the rest of the squad, or do we spend it on 7-8 players who have slightly more ability than what we currently have but whom KM thinks he can get a lot more out of? I'm going firmly for the second option.

[Ricco]

I think the owners will view this as an opportunity to become an established PL team.

I agree, I think they'll view relegation as a big backwards step with no guarantee of return. To this point I believe they have spent pretty much every penny they could while staying in the rules, so I see no reason while they'll change this aggressive tack. Couple that with the fact that our fellow promotees have already splurged their allowance and won't have similar deep pockets, and the fact some teams are selling players or facing points deductions, will there likely be a better opportunity? Promotion may have 'come too soon' in some people's eyes, but I really don't think another season or two in the Championship would see our squad much stronger, and it would surely hit the momentum and morale built.

[Bluemike]

I think the owners will view this as an opportunity to become an established PL team, but the appraoch will have to be the right one.

So, yes, I agree with those who say we will look to spend between £70M and £90M, which would (just) keep us within the rules. It's how we spend it that will be interesting - do we spend it on 2-3 established 'stars' and risk rocking the boat with the rest of the squad, or do we spend it on 7-8 players who have slightly more ability than what we currently have but whom KM thinks he can get a lot more out of? I'm going firmly for the second option.

I agree on how much we'll spend, what I don't think we'll do is spend 15 million + on any one player, won't happen.

[Ricco]

won't happen.

Really? Andy has posted the facts that 5 of the 6 promoted teams from the previous couple of seasons have spent over £15m on individual players, some more than one.

I think we would have shelled out more than that for Hutchinson for sure, but we're probably priced out now. Would have been a good player to bring in, but fact remains he was mainly an impact sub until towards the end of the season, and the big bucks to ensure we don't get relegated are probably more wisely spent through the core of the team...

[Denny61]

We know money doesn’t mean / guarantee success. You only have to look at Leeds vs Ipswich in the promotion race. Our squad is modest in every sense of the word…. But of course we need some higher quality in the squad but I doubt Town will spend over the odds. Eg if we are to get Omari I can see that deal going to the last day, when CFC are desperate to sell and will have to drop the ridiculous asking price. If an overseas club wants to buy an unproven young player for £30m, good luck to ‘em!

It won't go to the last day..Hutchinson will be well gone before that ..and what makes you think he will be going overseas. !!! He will have had many admirers in Pl..so if we don't get him..others will..plus chelski going on tour of USA soon and they will want their targets in the squad by then and have off loaded players for sale .so no...Hutchinson will not end up being left till last minute...too good a player .and Needs to be in any club squad for friendlys

[shabba]

We know money doesn’t mean / guarantee success. You only have to look at Leeds vs Ipswich in the promotion race. Our squad is modest in every sense of the word…. But of course we need some higher quality in the squad but I doubt Town will spend over the odds. Eg if we are to get Omari I can see that deal going to the last day, when CFC are desperate to sell and will have to drop the ridiculous asking price. If an overseas club wants to buy an unproven young player for £30m, good luck to ‘em!

It won't go to the last day..Hutchinson will be well gone before that ..and what makes you think he will be going overseas. !!! He will have had many admirers in Pl..so if we don't get him..others will..plus chelski going on tour of USA soon and they will want their targets in the squad by then and have off loaded players for sale .so no...Hutchinson will not end up being left till last minute...too good a player .and Needs to be in any club squad for friendlys

Its the sort of player you could see someone like Palace going for if they sold Eze or Olise for good money (60m etc).

[Bluemike]

won't happen.

Really? Andy has posted the facts that 5 of the 6 promoted teams from the previous couple of seasons have spent over £15m on individual players, some more than one.

I think we would have shelled out more than that for Hutchinson for sure, but we're probably priced out now. Would have been a good player to bring in, but fact remains he was mainly an impact sub until towards the end of the season, and the big bucks to ensure we don't get relegated are probably more wisely spent through the core of the team...

Yep, that's my feeling, time will tell I guess.

[ITFC2024]

The Real EFL:

Ipswich Town have been dealt a transfer blow this week as Bournemouth Head Coach Andoni Iraola admits that there is still a chance Kieffer Moore could have a future at The Vitality Stadium, according to a report by the Bournemouth Echo.

Hey Shabba, how much do you think Kiefer Moore is worth?

[Bluemike]

Wouldn't want him back

[ITFC2024]

Yeah, I think we can get better.

[shabba]

The Real EFL:

Ipswich Town have been dealt a transfer blow this week as Bournemouth Head Coach Andoni Iraola admits that there is still a chance Kieffer Moore could have a future at The Vitality Stadium, according to a report by the Bournemouth Echo.

Hey Shabba, how much do you think Kiefer Moore is worth?

1-3m as only has a year left and isn't young etc.
Agree with others, IMO he is good for the championship but no better than Hirst and if we bring in another striker I'd like to hope they are an upgrade on both of those players, certainly you'd need someone more mobile than Moore for the pace of the premier league - especially as you'd likey be counter attacking in more games than not.

[hallamblue]

I bet we go in for him again….,


https://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-new ... ter-united

[ITFC2024]

I bet we go in for him again….,


https://www.twtd.co.uk/ipswich-town-new ... ter-united

I hope not. He's got too much baggage.

[Ricco]

Nope no noooooo no way nope nope nope no chance nope

Do not be tempted to pity that man-child again Kieran, once burned, twice... run away screaming...

[Blue Wilf]

I still think this fixation about signing Hutchinson and him being worth £20m or £30m is dreamland stuff! Yes, he may go for that if someone is stupid enough to pay it but despite the fact that I loved what he did for us, he is untried and untested at PL level and couldn't get into our first 11 6 months ago in the Championship. Now he is the next Ronaldo to some! I don't see it!

Also - £70M, £90M on 5 or 6 players (then wages etc) - have we really not learned the lessons of the past (or the present re Leicester, Forest et al)? If we do something like that then fine - I hold my hands up and will love it as to watch players of that calibre each week will be great. However, if if all goes to rat sh*t - which lets face it is a high probability even if that is spent, then I will be pretty bloody annoyed! I still think less is more and KM then needs to earn his £5m/year corn!

Its going to be interesting finding out which route we take.

[arana peligrosa]

That the jackass charged with motor offenses. Simple math here it's someone who we don't need any further involvement with, seems or has no future at the club and didn't even feature / offer much at time when even appeared on field. Why the hell we're linked again with the same player is a mystery. Slow news day or something, don't require much further consideration.

Moore has been useful and ideally would hope to keep with us. Hasn't been here long, hasn't really had the chance to prove himself in such limited time but can contribute and provides a presence that would help to unsettle opposition defenses. We could use a player like that if able to keep longer or Bournemouth don't wish to keep him their end.

[ITFC2024]

Also - £70M, £90M on 5 or 6 players (then wages etc) - have we really not learned the lessons of the past (or the present re Leicester, Forest et al)? If we do something like that then fine - I hold my hands up and will love it as to watch players of that calibre each week will be great. However, if if all goes to rat sh*t - which lets face it is a high probability even if that is spent, then I will be pretty bloody annoyed! I still think less is more and KM then needs to earn his £5m/year corn!

That's pretty much how I feel about it too. We could fail to stay up no matter how much we spend, and the result could be a financial disaster even with parachute money. Just Look at the state of Leeds right now, and if they're not careful they could be in trouble quickly.

I hope we focus on above average, young players with room for development and maybe one or two veterans for stability without breaking the bank. Then if we get relegated, we'll still be well placed financially to succeed.

As long as I'm still breathing, I don't want to witness another financial demise of our great club like many of us have already endured.

[marko69]

I still think less is more and KM then needs to earn his £5m/year corn!

Word......., and essentially what my rant was all about on the Defend / attack thread. Managers create the winning formula with what they are allowed to buy within the legal limits.

It is indeed a huge step, but KMcK has already proven he can get squads competing.

[shabba]

KM has not signed a massive new deal to then go and be limited to a small transfer budget, he has huge ambitions - so do the owners.

Of course its risky but it has worked for some teams, spend big but well enough to keep you up and grow from there.

Re Omari, you could argue it both ways, on the flip side say 'oh look how fast he improved in his first ever mens seasons, he was daddying it during the last few months and getting better every week, at that rate he could easily be a really top player'.

I've said it before too, plenty of players have come out of the championship for big money having never played Premier league football and thrived, look at Jared Bowen, Ollie Watkins etc.

[Blue Wilf]

KM has not signed a massive new deal to then go and be limited to a small transfer budget, he has huge ambitions - so do the owners.

Of course its risky but it has worked for some teams, spend big but well enough to keep you up and grow from there.

Re Omari, you could argue it both ways, on the flip side say 'oh look how fast he improved in his first ever mens seasons, he was daddying it during the last few months and getting better every week, at that rate he could easily be a really top player'.

I've said it before too, plenty of players have come out of the championship for big money having never played Premier league football and thrived, look at Jared Bowen, Ollie Watkins etc.

Sorry Shabba - you lost me at 'daddying'? god I feel old! I just feel that you throw around these huge sums of money with little or no regard to what you are actually talking about. Its like we are rolling in money now we are in the PL. i don't think we are! Do you have any real concept of the value of money? I know some clubs can/will pay it but surely history shows that it is not the way forward. You could pay £20m for a player and he pulls up in training the last week of July and then what do you do? Also, remember that a £20m player will want a £20 players wages (whats that in your world? £60k/week? £70k?) - thats another £3m a year but hey, its not our money is it? It is very easy to risk someone elses money - but what if it were your own?

Yes KM will want to be competitive but he also needs to keep the players happy and earn his £5m/year. The expectations on him will be huge and of course the Club will help him
all they can but they have to balance the risk and the reward.

Charny did some analysis on what Clubs paid when they went up (even spending £100M is/was no guarantee). Of that is still available, can you say what Bournemouth or Brentford spend in year one?

Like I say, you may end up being right and we throw all of our money at it. I don't think thats a smart option...

[shabba]

I'd consider myself to be very good with money and certainly know the value of it in my own person life - I have no issue spending money but like to get max value from it.

Its just my view but I stick by what I've said, we will spend 50-70m this summer and one or two players may end up costing 20m or so.

If you are interested more in football finances then take a look at Kieran Maguire, he is an expert in this area and can maybe better explain things.

Feel free to also do some research on the subject - look at PL wages across the squads etc. It's VERY difficult to buy players cheaply and pay them low wages, its kind of a case of if you want to sit at the table you need to pay the bill. Not saying it's impossible but it makes your chance of success lower if you opt against it.

I think we will try and be careful but there'll end up having to pay some players 50k per week possibly, at least if in the prem, they'll try and have wage cut clauses etc if relegated. If you don't pay good money there is a host of other clubs who will (i.e your direvt competition). Again its simple supply and demand logic.