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Riviera
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by Riviera » Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:58 pm
looking around on the net
Ipswich is very proud of its football team, Ipswich Town Football Club. Established in 1878, the team enjoyed great success in the era before the advent of Sky money. They won the Division 1 Championship in 1961/62 as well as ending runners up in both the 1980/81 and 1981/82 seasons as well as winning the FA Cup in 1978 and the UEFA cup in 1981. They have a strong rivalry with Norwich City F.C.. Ipswich Town was home to England's two most successful managers, Sir Bobby Robson and Sir Alf Ramsey. Robson also began the youth system at Portman Road, which has produced many great players over the years and is renowned as one of the best in the country winning the FA Youth Cup in 1973, 1975 and 2005. The modern day era has seen Ipswich Town sell the life and soul of the club to teams such as Charlton and Newcastle with 5 of Charlton's current starting 11 are ex-town players (D. Bent, M. Bent, H. Hreidarsson, M Holland, D. Ambrose)
i think the sentence in red says it all, although if it wasnt for sky we'd never of seen players like finidi, sereni and le pen
although to be fair i thought sereni was ok, great shot stopper just sh*te off his line
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Jome_ITFC
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by Jome_ITFC » Thu Apr 20, 2006 5:04 pm
sums it all up really, where did you get this from?
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monstermunch
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by monstermunch » Thu Apr 20, 2006 8:07 pm
There's no question that money has been bad for the competitive balance of English football. In the 70's and 80's Forest got promoted from Div 2, won Div 1, won the European Cup and then won the European Cup again. In consecutive seasons. A great story and all down to a great manager. But the sad fact is that it will never ever happen again.
What is for certain is that the title will not be won by a team from outside the big four for a very, very long time. And all because of the disgusting money fueled circus the top level game has become. Can any of us see Ipswich back in the Prem in the forseeable future? No. Or other former stalwarts like Derby, Leicester, Wolves, Forest etc etc. No again. And all because of debts incurred attempting to "live the dream".
And the game is much worse off for it.
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toby
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by toby » Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:01 am
Although the SKY money obviously made a huge difference I actually think the advent of the Champions League (especially increasing the number of qualification places) has imbalanced football (right across Europe) the most (combined with the Bosman ruling).
Qualifying for the Champions League becomes a cycle as the team earns so much money that it almost becomes inevitable that they will qualify again the following season because they have so much money.
It is now far more important to finish 2nd, 3rd or even 4th in the Premier League than it is to actually win most trophys (which of the big clubs really cares about winning the FA, League or UEFA cups nowadays?).
When Ipswich won the UEFA cup it was a major trophy, quite often competed for by the up-and-coming Champions of their leagues (AZ Alkmaar were the newly crowned Dutch champions when we beat them, they were a better team domestically than Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV), where as now it is a substandard, cheapo Champions League ripoff for midtable English/Spanish/Italian/German clubs and formerly good East European clubs.
True competition in football has been sacrificed at the altar of commercialism, the big clubs HAVE to remain successful in order to satisfy sponsors and shareholders.
The days of Ipswich, Villa, Forest, West Ham etc not just doing well domestically but challenging (and winning!) in Europe are gone.
The Premiership was created on not just a tissue of lies but a whole juggernaut full of Andrex!
It was created, supposedly, with the intention of making English clubs more successful in Europe (well we've struggled to a grand total of 2 Champions League wins in nearly 15 years...look at our record pre-Heysel ban and pre-Premier League!) and improving the England football team!!!!
Football only wants one thing...our money.
And to be honest, personally I will be telling football to f*ck off in future.
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edo_blue
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by edo_blue » Fri Apr 21, 2006 8:19 pm
toby wrote:Although the SKY money obviously made a huge difference I actually think the advent of the Champions League (especially increasing the number of qualification places) has imbalanced football (right across Europe) the most (combined with the Bosman ruling).
Qualifying for the Champions League becomes a cycle as the team earns so much money that it almost becomes inevitable that they will qualify again the following season because they have so much money.
It is now far more important to finish 2nd, 3rd or even 4th in the Premier League than it is to actually win most trophys (which of the big clubs really cares about winning the FA, League or UEFA cups nowadays?).
When Ipswich won the UEFA cup it was a major trophy, quite often competed for by the up-and-coming Champions of their leagues (AZ Alkmaar were the newly crowned Dutch champions when we beat them, they were a better team domestically than Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV), where as now it is a substandard, cheapo Champions League ripoff for midtable English/Spanish/Italian/German clubs and formerly good East European clubs.
True competition in football has been sacrificed at the altar of commercialism, the big clubs HAVE to remain successful in order to satisfy sponsors and shareholders.
The days of Ipswich, Villa, Forest, West Ham etc not just doing well domestically but challenging (and winning!) in Europe are gone.
The Premiership was created on not just a tissue of lies but a whole juggernaut full of Andrex!
It was created, supposedly, with the intention of making English clubs more successful in Europe (well we've struggled to a grand total of 2 Champions League wins in nearly 15 years...look at our record pre-Heysel ban and pre-Premier League!) and improving the England football team!!!!
Football only wants one thing...our money.
And to be honest, personally I will be telling football to f*ck off in future.
Well fcuking said
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Kheffan
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by Kheffan » Sat Apr 22, 2006 12:37 am
toby wrote:Although the SKY money obviously made a huge difference I actually think the advent of the Champions League (especially increasing the number of qualification places) has imbalanced football (right across Europe) the most (combined with the Bosman ruling).
Qualifying for the Champions League becomes a cycle as the team earns so much money that it almost becomes inevitable that they will qualify again the following season because they have so much money.
It is now far more important to finish 2nd, 3rd or even 4th in the Premier League than it is to actually win most trophys (which of the big clubs really cares about winning the FA, League or UEFA cups nowadays?).
When Ipswich won the UEFA cup it was a major trophy, quite often competed for by the up-and-coming Champions of their leagues (AZ Alkmaar were the newly crowned Dutch champions when we beat them, they were a better team domestically than Ajax, Feyenoord and PSV), where as now it is a substandard, cheapo Champions League ripoff for midtable English/Spanish/Italian/German clubs and formerly good East European clubs.
True competition in football has been sacrificed at the altar of commercialism, the big clubs HAVE to remain successful in order to satisfy sponsors and shareholders.
The days of Ipswich, Villa, Forest, West Ham etc not just doing well domestically but challenging (and winning!) in Europe are gone.
The Premiership was created on not just a tissue of lies but a whole juggernaut full of Andrex!
It was created, supposedly, with the intention of making English clubs more successful in Europe (well we've struggled to a grand total of 2 Champions League wins in nearly 15 years...look at our record pre-Heysel ban and pre-Premier League!) and improving the England football team!!!!
Football only wants one thing...our money.
And to be honest, personally I will be telling football to f*ck off in future.
absolutely. until some of this big money is passed to the grass roots and the lower leagues . i can only see the demise of the ENGLISH game.
