Premier League - Fulham FC vs Ipswich Town Preview & Matchday Thread

[valleyroad]

And Einstein couldn't speak until he was six. No human in history is bereft of flaws.

Yeah you're right, he's clearly a good learner to be where he is at his age, but perhaps if he makes a decision, he can be too reluctant to change it at times. It's taken him half a season to drop Muric, change to five at the back, and get Hutchinson on to the right. It's all just opinion, but maybe if he were a touch punchier with his changes and 'experiments' we'd have found a better formula sooner and be in a stronger position. Indeed maybe not, but fans were screaming for change and it was starting to feel like not changing anything yet expecting better results.

Agree on Muric, for me McKenna should have dropped him well before he did. Would be interesting to see his reasons why not.
The back 5 for me doesn't suit Hutchinson and i'm not convinced McKenna sees his best position as on the right. I think he sees more potential for him as a number 10. It doesn't surprise me he is going for Philogene again for that reason.
I think also he will use a back 5 in some matches and not in others. He used it against Arsenal, Tottenham and Fulham away and Chelsea at home.
Not rocket science too see why. Very much doubt he will use it at PR for most matches or quite a few away's also.

VR, look at the results in those Four games though, pretty impressive and could have been even better.

I agree but i think it horses for courses with a back five. We'll see
Muric for me is the biggest mistake that McKenna has made in his time at the club

[Ricco]

The back 5 for me doesn't suit Hutchinson and i'm not convinced McKenna sees his best position as on the right.

So maybe that is a silver lining in his injury, we're more likely to stick with 5 at the back and ditch the 10. For me Hutchinson is a no brainer on the right, but alas.

So we have played 5 games with 5 at the back, and those no less were games against Man City (A), Tottenham (A), Arsenal (A), Chelsea (H) and Fulham (A). From those games:

7pts, so that is 1.4pts per game, equating to 53pts when extrapolated over a season. Good for 9th place last season and against some of the very best teams in the division.

With 4 at the back it's 9pts across 15 games at 0.6pts per game, 23pts when extrapolated, that is relegation by a mile, any year.

Of course it is not a simple as that, there is more to each of those individual games... but I'll say it now, continue with 5 at the back and we'll stay up, revert to 4 and we go down. That's my belief and it was before the season started.

[Blue Wilf]

If by Davis bombing forward like he does NUMEROUS occasions means the remaining defenders turn into f**king dunderheids who forget how to cover, then YES, change the tactic.
Let’s be honest here though; Leif Davis is a fairly ordinary, bordering on fairly shyte defender anyway.

Inches from 3-1.

Will always SMH at the level of questioning towards ANY boss who’s prematurely managing in the EPL. More so on one who’s proved he ain’t no fluke.

To be honest……. Everything is hindsight in all the shyte i read on here. I ain’t right, (i dont claim to be either) and no one else is right.
WHO KNOWS what wouldve occurred had they adopted backs to wall tactics for near on 20 mins? Id gamble it wouldn’t turn out all that well regardless of the Cheltenham, sorry, Chelsea and Arsenal games.

And “Gung-Ho” labelling is creating something quite f**king negative on this forum. Gets on my f**king tits if im honest. But thats MY problem.

I know you probably do not read these threads Kieron, but just you keep on keeping on ma son and survival will happen.
And if not, yes, this’ll get dragged up, but at least you’ll have been positive and had a good bloody go at it.

Gung ho is a well known phrase that is pretty accurate for what we have seen. SMH however, I have absolutely no idea what it means

[Ricco]

SMH however, I have absolutely no idea what it means

Sack McKenna Henceforth?

[Bluemike]

SMH however, I have absolutely no idea what it means

Sack McKenna Henceforth?

You just had to didn't you Ricco lol

[Blue Wilf]

SMH however, I have absolutely no idea what it means

Sack McKenna Henceforth?

I was assuming 'Stop Marauding past Halfway' but like I say

[Bluemike]

Very good

[marko69]

The back 5 for me doesn't suit Hutchinson and i'm not convinced McKenna sees his best position as on the right.

So maybe that is a silver lining in his injury, we're more likely to stick with 5 at the back and ditch the 10. For me Hutchinson is a no brainer on the right, but alas.

So we have played 5 games with 5 at the back, and those no less were games against Man City (A), Tottenham (A), Arsenal (A), Chelsea (H) and Fulham (A). From those games:

7pts, so that is 1.4pts per game, equating to 53pts when extrapolated over a season. Good for 9th place last season and against some of the very best teams in the division.

With 4 at the back it's 9pts across 15 games at 0.6pts per game, 23pts when extrapolated, that is relegation by a mile, any year.

Of course it is not a simple as that, there is more to each of those individual games... but I'll say it now, continue with 5 at the back and we'll stay up, revert to 4 and we go down. That's my belief and it was before the season started.

Apply all this……… great.

Then its ….. “teams have worked us out!” Bla bla bla (SMH)

Thankless task. Wouldn’t want the Messiahs job.

But, for £5M, i’d handle the noise.

[Blue Wilf]

The back 5 for me doesn't suit Hutchinson and i'm not convinced McKenna sees his best position as on the right.

So maybe that is a silver lining in his injury, we're more likely to stick with 5 at the back and ditch the 10. For me Hutchinson is a no brainer on the right, but alas.

So we have played 5 games with 5 at the back, and those no less were games against Man City (A), Tottenham (A), Arsenal (A), Chelsea (H) and Fulham (A). From those games:

7pts, so that is 1.4pts per game, equating to 53pts when extrapolated over a season. Good for 9th place last season and against some of the very best teams in the division.

With 4 at the back it's 9pts across 15 games at 0.6pts per game, 23pts when extrapolated, that is relegation by a mile, any year.

Of course it is not a simple as that, there is more to each of those individual games... but I'll say it now, continue with 5 at the back and we'll stay up, revert to 4 and we go down. That's my belief and it was before the season started.

Apply all this……… great.

Then its ….. “teams have worked us out!” Bla bla bla (SMH)

Thankless task. Wouldn’t want the Messiahs job.

But, for £5M, i’d handle the noise.

I am sure we would all handle the noise for that, Marko. I don't think we would get the 'teams have worked us out' thing to be honest. The point is that we would be displaying an ability to read the game (and our opponents), and then have the ability to adapt and morph from one system into another. Teams do it all the time and it is called changing tactics - even mid game. I think that is all any of us have been asking for and at last, we are showing a willingness to do exactly that - credit to McKenna for it! The next phase is to manage games better. McKenna has talked a lot about it over the seasons he has been here and in L1 and the Championship, we were bloody brilliant at it! Sadly, in the Prem, against teams who are on paper better than us, we have been less successful. Part of that is to do with them just being technically better than us, maybe a bit of fitness late in games etc but part of it is also to do with us not settling in and defending better at crucial stages of games (ie from about 80 minutes yesterday). I firmly believe that if we had left Clarke on the bench and adapted to bring on someone like Burgess instead, we would have won the game. Don't forget that Clarke had been totally pants in every game he has played so far so what made KM think that at 90 mins yesterday he was going to be any better? We will never know - it is just my opinion but I firmly believe it. Yes, Clarke MAY have won the game but the percentage chance of that was far less than the chance of us conceding if we had tightened up at the back and held the lead we had at the time. Again, just my view but there you have it - views may differ! Still no idea what SMH means but I have got to 62 without knowing so it can't be all that important!

[ITFC2024]

I’ve been an advocate for a more defensive approach in the Premier League due to our squad strength if nothing else…more so in the last few months. However, I acknowledge that another goal (JC’s shot off the post) would have more than likely sealed the win. Obviously, it’s a tough league and all I really ask is that we compete and don’t embarrass ourselves. We’re beginning to achieve that and hopefully it will aide us in our survival.

[marko69]

So maybe that is a silver lining in his injury, we're more likely to stick with 5 at the back and ditch the 10. For me Hutchinson is a no brainer on the right, but alas.

So we have played 5 games with 5 at the back, and those no less were games against Man City (A), Tottenham (A), Arsenal (A), Chelsea (H) and Fulham (A). From those games:

7pts, so that is 1.4pts per game, equating to 53pts when extrapolated over a season. Good for 9th place last season and against some of the very best teams in the division.

With 4 at the back it's 9pts across 15 games at 0.6pts per game, 23pts when extrapolated, that is relegation by a mile, any year.

Of course it is not a simple as that, there is more to each of those individual games... but I'll say it now, continue with 5 at the back and we'll stay up, revert to 4 and we go down. That's my belief and it was before the season started.

Apply all this……… great.

Then its ….. “teams have worked us out!” Bla bla bla (SMH)

Thankless task. Wouldn’t want the Messiahs job.

But, for £5M, i’d handle the noise.

I am sure we would all handle the noise for that, Marko. I don't think we would get the 'teams have worked us out' thing to be honest. The point is that we would be displaying an ability to read the game (and our opponents), and then have the ability to adapt and morph from one system into another. Teams do it all the time and it is called changing tactics - even mid game. I think that is all any of us have been asking for and at last, we are showing a willingness to do exactly that - credit to McKenna for it! The next phase is to manage games better. McKenna has talked a lot about it over the seasons he has been here and in L1 and the Championship, we were bloody brilliant at it! Sadly, in the Prem, against teams who are on paper better than us, we have been less successful. Part of that is to do with them just being technically better than us, maybe a bit of fitness late in games etc but part of it is also to do with us not settling in and defending better at crucial stages of games (ie from about 80 minutes yesterday). I firmly believe that if we had left Clarke on the bench and adapted to bring on someone like Burgess instead, we would have won the game. Don't forget that Clarke had been totally pants in every game he has played so far so what made KM think that at 90 mins yesterday he was going to be any better? We will never know - it is just my opinion but I firmly believe it. Yes, Clarke MAY have won the game but the percentage chance of that was far less than the chance of us conceding if we had tightened up at the back and held the lead we had at the time. Again, just my view but there you have it - views may differ! Still no idea what SMH means but I have got to 62 without knowing so it can't be all that important!

The McKenna chats have been going on so much now that i feel we must clarify before posting that the forthcoming words are coming from genuine “like” of the previous post and not from sarcastic bstdness!! …… but yep you do definitely clear up questions & justify things quite nicely , ie Clarke on as sub and the thinking behind it etc. Yep, it would be good to know an exact answer for it.
Not sure if it’s just a fatigue issue and he’s using
all he has that is available at that time. I do not know. But yep, there will always be decisions that could be asked why.
I know i bang on about AFL on occasion on here…… But their coaches are grilled after a game. Can be highly entertaining. The Aussie “way” is fantastic. Stupid questions met with “WTF you on about?!” answers and even tough questions met with the same!

SMH is Stir Mash Hourly. Keeps everything fluffy!

[marko69]

Cut the “nice”, …… be more Luke Beveridge in the pressers, Kieron!

You may not be familiar with the sport, but it’s worth the 3mins!

https://youtu.be/gwFU4y2lV5E?si=qZ9R8w4tNl0i7mkM

[shabba]

I was at the game, sadly in the Fulham end but have to take what I can get

Glad to see the 343 again, so much more solid now, just a little lacking going forward but its hopefully giving us something to build on.

We missed Omari as he can carry the ball, Delap was key again as he is the 'out ball' due to his amazing hold up play, and powerfully running.

WOuld have definitley taken a point at the start of the day, but feels like a loss after that late pen.

I was suprised to see so many spare seats in the new stand, despite it being only a few spare seats here and there available the night before, some must just not have turned up. Also the atmosphere was dull, they have NO chants it seems other than 'come on fulham'.

Proud of KM and the boys.

[Shed on tour]

I was at the game, sadly in the Fulham end but have to take what I can get

Glad to see the 343 again, so much more solid now, just a little lacking going forward but its hopefully giving us something to build on.

We missed Omari as he can carry the ball, Delap was key again as he is the 'out ball' due to his amazing hold up play, and powerfully running.

WOuld have definitley taken a point at the start of the day, but feels like a loss after that late pen.

I was suprised to see so many spare seats in the new stand, despite it being only a few spare seats here and there available the night before, some must just not have turned up. Also the atmosphere was dull, they have NO chants it seems other than 'come on fulham'.

Proud of KM and the boys.

Were you in the new stand? If so what were the facilities like? Have to say from where I was in the away end I didn’t think it looked as impressive as I thought it would, especially after reading the reports about it when it was being built.

[shabba]

No Johnnny Haynes stand, which was very old but had some charm to it. Agree re the new stand - didn’t even seem to have any hospitality boxes or such which seems odd. The ground has charm for sure but didn’t feel overall impressive

[MMJR67]

Some of us got slagged off for having this Morsy conversation earlier in this season. Funny how things change.

What's changed ? For me he's first name on team sheet, ok he made a mistake, Davis makes several every game.
All that's changed is a couple have jumped on the bandwagon. KM seems to think he's invaluable so he won't be going anywhere just yet.

Nothing wrong with your love of Morsy.

[Charnwood]

It would be so strange to see Sam Morsy slowly fading out of the picture, I love the guy

I know you do mate but there’s no doubt in my mind he cost us that game on Sunday and had it been Muric who’d been as stupid as Morsy was you’d have crucified him.

I’m not sure where you go to find individual player stats but I think you’d find Morsy’s will have been pretty poor in recent games especially this week.

I’m not sure how long he’s got left on his contract but I’ll be surprised if he’s our captain next year if we’re still in the Premier League.

[Bluemike]

How did he cost us the game ? we restored our lead right after his error.

It was without question Davis and the messiah that cost us the game.

[Bluemike]

By the way Andy, the stats are all on the sky sports App, his are pretty decent tbh.

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

That is on McKenna again for me, both positively and negatively. A point I would have taken at the start is gained due to him staying with the winning formula but then on 80 minutes when it was crying out for an extra defender or instructions to protect the lead and we hare up the pitch and give away a lazy penalty. Poor game management for me. When will he learn that we will not outscore teams in this league every week?

Just got back from Philippines, so have only seen the highlights - but from what I saw then I agree with you that the game management was poor and lessons should have been learned from previous games but obviously have not been.

Of course, I expect that the McKenna is the Messiah club - which has its HQ north of the border - will strongly disagree with this

[The Odious Mr Rossi]

You need to stop the Mckenna bashing

Why???

And this is a forum - I'm not sure we need people telling others what they should and shouldn't do. That may be how folks behave north of the border (I don't know and frankly I don't care), but it's not how we behave in England.

[arana peligrosa]

He does have a point. This is a club message board, a forum or place of opinion. There's going to be conflicting belief . There ain't going to be the same unwavering viewpoint from fans within the club set-up.

McKenna is not beyond ridicule or question, no-one is. At times this season fans would have queried his continued involvement but lo and behold we've turned a page right now and the way ahead is looking clearer. Would I swap with another, hell no we're fine as we are. Results just haven't always been as we've liked and suffered a number of adverse scores and setbacks. Above all that there's no real reason to change.

There really isn't much more to add to this past game that hasn't already been mentioned. Can only add once more we came within one minute of a fine standout result but were denied. The incident that cost us can be discussed time and again but righty or wrongly there's not much anyone can do about it now. You show the same level of commitment or desire in future games then you got to imagine we'll provide ourselves a good enough chance.

[Charnwood]

How did he cost us the game ? we restored our lead right after his error.

It was without question Davis and the messiah that cost us the game.

Simple isn’t it Mike. His penalty gift was 100% unnecessary whereas Davis’s was more likely down to tiredness whilst at least doing his job defending. Without gifting that goal we’d have scored 2 and Fulham only 1.

You guys who think you’d make better management decisions than McKenna and would stand more chance of getter more out of our squad than he does just make me laugh.

Without McKenna you’d still be watching the likes of Accrington Stanley & Fleetwood Town every week but maybe you’d be happier. Personally I still think we stand a better chance of staying up with him here, but without him I fear definite relegation with the current squad mostly sold off to balance the books and Premier League football gone for another long period.

[Bluemike]

How did he cost us the game ? we restored our lead right after his error.

It was without question Davis and the messiah that cost us the game.

Simple isn’t it Mike. His penalty gift was 100% unnecessary whereas Davis’s was more likely down to tiredness whilst at least doing his job defending. Without gifting that goal we’d have scored 2 and Fulham only 1.

You guys who think you’d make better management decisions than McKenna and would stand more chance of getter more out of our squad than he does just make me laugh.

Without McKenna you’d still be watching the likes of Accrington Stanley & Fleetwood Town every week but maybe you’d be happier. Personally I still think we stand a better chance of staying up with him here, but without him I fear definite relegation with the current squad mostly sold off to balance the books and Premier League football gone for another long period.

Doesn't work like that though, the timing of the error was what cost us the win and that was down to Davis not Morsy, yes Morsy was bloody stupid but it certainly didn't cost us the game.

In actual fact the foul by Davis was even more unnecessary than Morsy's because the guy was running it virtually out of touch where as the guy Morsy fouled was running into the box with a chance of shooting, there was no comparison.

It isn't about us guys thinking we know more than McKenna, but we certainly did where the formation was concerned because he's now adopted what a few of us were craving for weeks when he was pissing games away.

Of course we have to thank him for where we are but how many years are we going to have to be beholding to him ? This is a new season and a new set up, it has to be judged on its merits, if you saw the MOTD pundits analysing our game they also said what on earth was Davis doing so far forward, its not just us that know nothing, clearly the experts don't either, but just maybe it's those who see no wrong in anything McKenna does that actually know nothing? Just a thought.

[marko69]

You need to stop the Mckenna bashing

Why???

And this is a forum - I'm not sure we need people telling others what they should and shouldn't do. That may be how folks behave north of the border (I don't know and frankly I don't care), but it's not how we behave in England.

The entire thread has been decent, Rossi. No one has resorted to that type of post. Its actually been very good and engaging conversations throughout. Quite refreshing.

And you got the 2-2 on the second post of the thread……… 1pt for The Messiah & 5pts for you on the Prediction League!

[Charnwood]

How did he cost us the game ? we restored our lead right after his error.

It was without question Davis and the messiah that cost us the game.

Simple isn’t it Mike. His penalty gift was 100% unnecessary whereas Davis’s was more likely down to tiredness whilst at least doing his job defending. Without gifting that goal we’d have scored 2 and Fulham only 1.

You guys who think you’d make better management decisions than McKenna and would stand more chance of getter more out of our squad than he does just make me laugh.

Without McKenna you’d still be watching the likes of Accrington Stanley & Fleetwood Town every week but maybe you’d be happier. Personally I still think we stand a better chance of staying up with him here, but without him I fear definite relegation with the current squad mostly sold off to balance the books and Premier League football gone for another long period.

Doesn't work like that though, the timing of the error was what cost us the win and that was down to Davis not Morsy, yes Morsy was bloody stupid but it certainly didn't cost us the game.

In actual fact the foul by Davis was even more unnecessary than Morsy's because the guy was running it virtually out of touch where as the guy Morsy fouled was running into the box with a chance of shooting, there was no comparison.

It isn't about us guys thinking we know more than McKenna, but we certainly did where the formation was concerned because he's now adopted what a few of us were craving for weeks when he was pissing games away.

Of course we have to thank him for where we are but how many years are we going to have to be beholding to him ? This is a new season and a new set up, it has to be judged on its merits, if you saw the MOTD pundits analysing our game they also said what on earth was Davis doing so far forward, its not just us that know nothing, clearly the experts don't either, but just maybe it's those who see no wrong in anything McKenna does that actually know nothing? Just a thought.

I’ve not seen MOTD yet Mike but I will. There’s nothing new about the pundits criticising Leif Davis going so far forward they do it every week and blamed him for our 0-4 defeat at home to Newcastle. You’ll be aware I referred to it on here after the game and I’ve been critical of both Davis and Harry Clarke all season as I’ve seen the pair of them as a bigger problem than Muric. Until recently I was a relatively lone voice criticising Davis because of all the goals he’s had a hand in and I guess that’s a fair call.
I’m not defending him at all, I just don’t see his foolish challenge as being any worse than Morsy’s. I’m just thinking he’s not good enough to continue his defensive duties and needs to convert to being a left side attacking midfielder but then we’ll soon have a surplus of these, and of course the danger of not allowing Davis past the half way line, we then lose our goal assist machine.

[Blue Wilf]

Simple isn’t it Mike. His penalty gift was 100% unnecessary whereas Davis’s was more likely down to tiredness whilst at least doing his job defending. Without gifting that goal we’d have scored 2 and Fulham only 1.

You guys who think you’d make better management decisions than McKenna and would stand more chance of getter more out of our squad than he does just make me laugh.

Without McKenna you’d still be watching the likes of Accrington Stanley & Fleetwood Town every week but maybe you’d be happier. Personally I still think we stand a better chance of staying up with him here, but without him I fear definite relegation with the current squad mostly sold off to balance the books and Premier League football gone for another long period.

Doesn't work like that though, the timing of the error was what cost us the win and that was down to Davis not Morsy, yes Morsy was bloody stupid but it certainly didn't cost us the game.

In actual fact the foul by Davis was even more unnecessary than Morsy's because the guy was running it virtually out of touch where as the guy Morsy fouled was running into the box with a chance of shooting, there was no comparison.

It isn't about us guys thinking we know more than McKenna, but we certainly did where the formation was concerned because he's now adopted what a few of us were craving for weeks when he was pissing games away.

Of course we have to thank him for where we are but how many years are we going to have to be beholding to him ? This is a new season and a new set up, it has to be judged on its merits, if you saw the MOTD pundits analysing our game they also said what on earth was Davis doing so far forward, its not just us that know nothing, clearly the experts don't either, but just maybe it's those who see no wrong in anything McKenna does that actually know nothing? Just a thought.

I’ve not seen MOTD yet Mike but I will. There’s nothing new about the pundits criticising Leif Davis going so far forward they do it every week and blamed him for our 0-4 defeat at home to Newcastle. You’ll be aware I referred to it on here after the game and I’ve been critical of both Davis and Harry Clarke all season as I’ve seen the pair of them as a bigger problem than Muric. Until recently I was a relatively lone voice criticising Davis because of all the goals he’s had a hand in and I guess that’s a fair call.
I’m not defending him at all, I just don’t see his foolish challenge as being any worse than Morsy’s. I’m just thinking he’s not good enough to continue his defensive duties and needs to convert to being a left side attacking midfielder but then we’ll soon have a surplus of these, and of course the danger of not allowing Davis past the half way line, we then lose our goal assist machine.

For me it is simple - at 80 mins - a good while AFTER Morsy's misdemeanour, we were winning 2-1. Cue - 2 like for like subs and a continual attacking profile that COULD have won us the game but sadly did not. Instead, that line of attack DID leave us short at the back and for me, that was avoidable if we had played a safer game and not tried to push forward. That message had to come from McKenna - surely? If not, the players did it by themselves. Now, if that is the case, McKenna has lost the dressing room (I don't believe he has btw) as this is a repeated mistake (aka brentford, bournemouth etc etc) so he MUST have told them to play to hold the lead after those debacles? If he hasn't then he is even more culpable!

So again - must have said it 1000 times on here now, I do NOT want McKenna to go anywhere and he has worked wonders but he IS being found wanting here and all I want is for him to learn but he clearly does not seem to be doing so! I don't see why that is not being seen by many people on here. The denial is not factual as we keep making the mistakes so it must be led by blind faith in McKenna I guess Actually... maybe it's not so simple after all

[Charnwood]

Doesn't work like that though, the timing of the error was what cost us the win and that was down to Davis not Morsy, yes Morsy was bloody stupid but it certainly didn't cost us the game.

In actual fact the foul by Davis was even more unnecessary than Morsy's because the guy was running it virtually out of touch where as the guy Morsy fouled was running into the box with a chance of shooting, there was no comparison.

It isn't about us guys thinking we know more than McKenna, but we certainly did where the formation was concerned because he's now adopted what a few of us were craving for weeks when he was pissing games away.

Of course we have to thank him for where we are but how many years are we going to have to be beholding to him ? This is a new season and a new set up, it has to be judged on its merits, if you saw the MOTD pundits analysing our game they also said what on earth was Davis doing so far forward, its not just us that know nothing, clearly the experts don't either, but just maybe it's those who see no wrong in anything McKenna does that actually know nothing? Just a thought.

I’ve not seen MOTD yet Mike but I will. There’s nothing new about the pundits criticising Leif Davis going so far forward they do it every week and blamed him for our 0-4 defeat at home to Newcastle. You’ll be aware I referred to it on here after the game and I’ve been critical of both Davis and Harry Clarke all season as I’ve seen the pair of them as a bigger problem than Muric. Until recently I was a relatively lone voice criticising Davis because of all the goals he’s had a hand in and I guess that’s a fair call.
I’m not defending him at all, I just don’t see his foolish challenge as being any worse than Morsy’s. I’m just thinking he’s not good enough to continue his defensive duties and needs to convert to being a left side attacking midfielder but then we’ll soon have a surplus of these, and of course the danger of not allowing Davis past the half way line, we then lose our goal assist machine.

For me it is simple - at 80 mins - a good while AFTER Morsy's misdemeanour, we were winning 2-1. Cue - 2 like for like subs and a continual attacking profile that COULD have won us the game but sadly did not. Instead, that line of attack DID leave us short at the back and for me, that was avoidable if we had played a safer game and not tried to push forward. That message had to come from McKenna - surely? If not, the players did it by themselves. Now, if that is the case, McKenna has lost the dressing room (I don't believe he has btw) as this is a repeated mistake (aka brentford, bournemouth etc etc) so he MUST have told them to play to hold the lead after those debacles? If he hasn't then he is even more culpable!

So again - must have said it 1000 times on here now, I do NOT want McKenna to go anywhere and he has worked wonders but he IS being found wanting here and all I want is for him to learn but he clearly does not seem to be doing so! I don't see why that is not being seen by many people on here. The denial is not factual as we keep making the mistakes so it must be led by blind faith in McKenna I guess Actually... maybe it's not so simple after all

As I’ve also said on here Ian, Fulham are the joint leading late goal scorers in the Premier League with 10 goals scored in the final 10 mins of normal time. Had we decided to sit back and take a battering for 10 mins + added time there’s every chance we’d have lost that game and not taken the point we’d have all happily taken before kick off.
Let’s be honest it’s only a few days ago when most of us on here couldn’t see us taking any points from our last two games and here we are having taken 4 and almost taking 6. Surely he must be doing something right.

[marko69]

Defend from 80mins…….. would love to see all the hypotheticals posts had it been 3-2 Fulham.
Got to assume the blame would’ve been squarely on the players? Yes? Because KMcK instructed Mick McCarthy tactics? And SEEING that he’s learning , would've been cut some slack, albeit, zero points.

We’ll never know, as they're hypotheticals……. But would like to see a winning position again in the final minutes of the next LEAGUE game to see how it all pans out and see if a defensive approach is adopted……. And if the points are saved.

(Not Bristol Rovers. … Wouldnt suppose many are overly bothered)

[Charnwood]

By the way Andy, the stats are all on the sky sports App, his are pretty decent tbh.

I’ve just been looking at as many of our Player Ratings as I can find for the Fulham game and every one I’ve found so far has Morsy with our lowest score and to be honest Mike I thinks there’s more to that than just the penalty gift. I’d almost put money on us having a new captain next year if we stay in the Premier League.